The Brexit Thread

[Creag]

Britain should exit hard and fast even if it's a crappy deal, as the EUrocraps now threaten. After quick new trade deals with USA, Canada, Australia, half the Commonwealth, and Japan they'll be in a better position than now. Call the EUrobluff - within two years of Brexit the European bluster will evaporate and they'll beg the UK to join the free trade zone.

It seems like the way that May will take the U.K. out of the EU, or at least the way she would if left to her do.

Really not liking this. Means I need to guess where this is going for next career jump. Could do without that uncertainty.

Hoping it stays in London or moves to Dublin. Frankfurt would be OK too I guess but not too keen

Here's hoping for a soft landing for you, HX.

Pretty colouring in, but completely wrong.

Germany can't negotiate its own deals outside the EU structure, any trade deal has to be negotiated by the EU and then ratified by all 28 members (27 after Brexit) and that agreed trade agreement is what all EU countries have to abide by.

But if Germany starts to feel that they are being short changed inn and by the EU, I wouldn't be surprised to see them exit. Unless I have it all wrong, a Germany is the backbone of the EU right now.

 

[access]

The "dole" existed before the EU, it's unlikely to change just because the UK and EU are splitting. Don't believe everything you read in the UK tabloids, living on unemployment benefits is no picnic and it's a very small percentage of people want to remain on them. Latest figures I found out the number of people on unemployment benefit at around 770k with 31.05 million in work (2015 figures).

i didnt read it i just thought of it now when reading the polish stuff posted. this person i knew always told me how they had to do things to trick the system and get free stuff, and about the other people doing it. but yes i guess it is only a small percentage.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

But if Germany starts to feel that they are being short changed inn and by the EU, I wouldn't be surprised to see them exit. Unless I have it all wrong, a Germany is the backbone of the EU right now.

Why would they, though? They benefit greatly from the EU.

 

[HavocXphere]

Here's hoping for a soft landing for you, HX.

Indeed. Nothing like rolling the dice with ones future...

 

[Dave]

So the government has lost the Supreme Court case, its ruled they do not have the right to trigger Article 50 and only Parliament can do that via an Act of Parliament authorising it.

By a majority of 8 to 3, the Supreme Court today rules that the Government cannot trigger Article 50 without an Act of Parliament authorising it to do so.

Put briefly, our reasons are as follows. Section 2 of the 1972 Act provides that, whenever EU institutions make new laws, those new laws become part of UK law. The 1972 Act therefore makes EU law an independent source of UK law, until Parliament decides otherwise. Therefore, when the UK withdraws from the EU Treaties, a source of UK law will be cut off. Further, certain rights enjoyed by UK citizens will be changed. Therefore, the Government cannot trigger Article 50 without Parliament authorising that course.

http://news.sky.com/story/live-pm-must-seek-mps8217-approval-to-trigger-brexit-10740738

 

[yebocan]

So what now? If MPs vote nope....

 

[The_Assimilator]

So what now? If MPs vote nope....

Then sanity prevails - we can but hope.

 

[Dave]

So what now? If MPs vote nope....

It makes for interesting times, it's not just MPs, it needs to go through the House of Lords (where it's likely to get a difficult passage) as well, if they can't get a Bill through both houses it's dead in the water till they can.

 

[Arthur]

If Parly nayes prevail then Britain faces a major constitutional crisis: the people have spoken one way, and Parly another. The only option will be a general election.

 

[konfab]

So what now? If MPs vote nope....

Then sanity prevails - we can but hope.

MPs in the UK are elected from districts. If the MPs don't vote the way their district voted, they will become easy pickings for UKIP. Labour have a serious problem in this respect.

They will most likely choose to save their jobs and vote for article 50.

edit: From FakeNews24:

The need to now win the approval of lawmakers threatens her March 31 deadline for starting the divorce talks, although most colleagues say they won’t try to stop the breakup given 52 percent of voters backed it in last June’s referendum.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Cue more death threats and Daily Fail front page assaults on the judges and the judiciary.

 

[Dave]

MPs in the UK are elected from districts. If the MPs don't vote the way their district voted, they will become easy pickings for UKIP. Labour have a serious problem in this respect.

They will most likely choose to save their jobs and vote for article 50.

That's why I said the Act will struggle in the Lords, Peers don't have constituencies, they can't be voted out by an angry portion of the electorate as they are indirectly appointed via the political parties.

 

[konfab]

That's why I said the Act will struggle in the Lords, Peers don't have constituencies, they can't be voted out by an angry portion of the electorate as they are indirectly appointed via the political parties.

I don't think they would go against parliament and the referendum.

 

[Dave]

I don't think they would go against parliament and the referendum.

The HoL often do, it's why every now and then UK governments try and plan to get rid, they are a contrary bunch (which is one reason the population approve of the idea of a non-elected second chamber, it slows or halts stupid government ideas).

 

[HavocXphere]

ugh...this is turning into a thoroughly half-baked mess.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

our reasons are as follows. Section 2 of the 1972 Act provides that, whenever EU institutions make new laws, those new laws become part of UK law. The 1972 Act therefore makes EU law an independent source of UK law, until Parliament decides otherwise. Therefore, when the UK withdraws from the EU Treaties, a source of UK law will be cut off

In what universe is this a problem and a justification?!?

The people: we want our voices heard above the EU's
Supreme court: no that would cut off the EU's voice

:wtf:

 

[ToxicBunny]

In what universe is this a problem and a justification?!?

The people: we want our voices heard above the EU's
Supreme court: no that would cut off the EU's voice

:wtf:

The real universe.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

The real universe.

The one where the establishment is in touch with the people and always gets its own way?

That's yesteryear's reality, the court evidently didn't get the memo. A ruling of this potential magnitude based on nothing more than a technicality is piss poor judgement.

 

[schumi]

The one where the establishment is in touch with the people and always gets its own way?

That's yesteryear's reality, the court evidently didn't get the memo. A ruling of this potential magnitude based on nothing more than a technicality is piss poor judgement.

A technicality still has to be followed even if 99% voted for Brexit , the government has planned for this and is unlikely to affect the Brexit timeline

 

[Dave]

In what universe is this a problem and a justification?!?

The people: we want our voices heard above the EU's
Supreme court: no that would cut off the EU's voice

:wtf:

In its in the quote, and fairly easy to understand.

Section 2 of the 1972 Act provides that, whenever EU institutions make new laws, those new laws become part of UK law. The 1972 Act therefore makes EU law an independent source of UK law, until Parliament decides otherwise.

This isn't a dictatorship, Parliament is supreme, not the government or the Prime Minister...