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JayM said:
SNP are in no position to call a referendum now and they know it. They can call one when they are polling at 60%+, not 45%.
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Do you think the EU will add another S to PIIGS? They will never call a referendum unless they can get EU membership.
 
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zippy said:
Wasn't the whole point of the referendum to return power to Parlement.?
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Not really, if that was the point then Parliament would have made the result legally binding, remember that under the legislation passed to have the referendum the result is only advisory and not binding.

This whole thing has been a waste of time and money. Just bring the legislation to Parlement. If it gets voted down, call a general election and then the new Parlement can move forward.
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If things go tits up that may well still happen.
 
konfab said:
Do you think the EU will add another S to PIIGS? They will never call a referendum unless they can get EU membership.
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These are the indyref showstoppers:

1) Rest of UK is a far bigger trading partner than EU for Scotland. A bad UK deal with the EU and them leaving and joining the EU later means they will suffer badly.

2) (Still) unanswered currency question (and the oil price...)

3) Too-large of a minority voted for leave for SNP to keep beating the EU drum without alienating at least some of their voter base. Some of these people want independence from UK and EU, some don't. Many remain voters would prefer a UK union than being in the EU; the problem is no one really knows the split.

4) There really hasn't been enough of a shift in polling to see any evidence that the EU ref had any impact, and losing an indyref now kills the dream for generations.
 
JayM said:
The two round system in France really shouldn't allow something like this to happen.
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I'm not following it that closely, Zerohedge had an article a week or 2 ago about why it is a real possibility. Global politics seems to be moving in that direction.
 
buka001 said:
Interesting opinion piece. Will the UK really gain the "independance" leave voters believed they were voting for? http://www.economist.com/news/brita...t-more-control-over-its?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/ed/
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From the start it's struck me as an attempt to reconcile itself with a more post-Empire Britain. Western hegemony is shrinking anyway, and isolationism will only speed that up.

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Heh, the one comment:

"DOPING - Delusions Of Post Imperial Nationalistic Grandeur"
 
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Brexit's mixed bag: good for scotch, bad for washing machines - Unilever, Diageo and Whirlpool results show how vote raised prices for some, cut demand for others and hiked overseas profits for one

The contrasting impact of Britain’s vote to leave the European Union on business was underlined when some of the world’s largest companies warned it had hiked food prices and lowered demand for household appliances on one hand but raised overseas profits for British companies on the other.

Unilever, the consumer goods group; Diageo, the owner of Guinness and Johnnie Walker; and Whirlpool, the world’s largest maker of home appliances, all flagged up the impact of Brexit in their financial results on Thursday.

Drinks group Diageo said the fall in sterling will flatter its full-year sales by about £1.4bn and boost operating profit by about £460m. The company has benefited from the weak pound because a high proportion of its earnings are from overseas sales registered in dollars. In the first half of Diageo’s financial year to the end of December, sales rose 15% to £6.4bn with pre-tax profits up 16% to £2.1bn. Diageo shares climbed 77p to 2218p, the biggest riser in the FTSE 100.

However, US-based Whirlpool warned it has taken a $40m (£32m) hit in the UK due to the weaker pound and falling demand for its products, which include washing machines and dishwashers, due to uncertainty following the referendum.
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Demogogaracy has failed , it is time for weighted votes , civil service and usefulness to the greater community to rule next to the push for achievement.
Our whole world is now rewarding participation instead of excellence and anyone who cannot even participate is viewed as equal to the excellent .
In no way or how are the great minds of science somehow equal to everyone else , if that were so we would not have problems , its time we realize this .
 
OrbitalDawn said:
Brexit's mixed bag: good for scotch, bad for washing machines - Unilever, Diageo and Whirlpool results show how vote raised prices for some, cut demand for others and hiked overseas profits for one
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Unadulterated bullshyte given that there has been no brexit yet and price changes are speculative in nature at this stage.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
Unadulterated bullshyte given that there has been no brexit yet and price changes are speculative in nature at this stage.
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Did you even read the article? It's all related to the weakened Pound, which, in case you missed it, happened right after the referendum.
 
Researchers shocked at UK's plan to exit EU nuclear agency

Scientists are shocked and angry at the UK government’s sudden confirmation on 26 January that it wants to pull out of the European Union’s nuclear agency Euratom, as part of its arrangements for Brexit.

Depending upon whether and how the UK negotiates a way back in to the organization, the move could endanger British participation in the world’s largest fusion experiment, the International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor (ITER) in Cadarache, France. It could also curtail operations at the Joint European Torus (JET), a nuclear-fusion facility based in Culham, UK. The facility is a half-sized version of ITER and acts as a test-bed for it; it currently receives around €56 million ($60 million) annually from Euratom.

"It is simply bonkers to leave Euratom," says Steven Cowley, a nuclear fusion researcher who until last year was director of the Culham Centre for Fusion Energy, which hosts JET.
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Paris? Just move to Amsterdam, everyone speaks english here (and without gritting their teeth in disgust ). It sounds like all the big euro cities are up for grabs with this.
 
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