The Brexit Thread

[NarrowBandFtw]

In its in the quote, and fairly easy to understand

An EU act hints that parliament has to decide and a UK court claims this is reason for the UK law to honour it, you reckon that is clear?

This isn't a dictatorship, Parliament is supreme, not the government or the Prime Minister...

A dictatorship is precisely the kind of place where you'd expect the will of the people to be overridden by government ...

 

[Dave]

An EU act hints that parliament has to decide and a UK court claims this is reason for the UK law to honour it, you reckon that is clear?
A dictatorship is precisely the kind of place where you'd expect the will of the people to be overridden by government ...

It's not referencing an EU Act, the 1972 Act mentioned is UK legislation, namely The European Communities Act 1972, the ruling is sensible, what the UK Parliament legislated in 1972 needs to be removed by UK Parliament legislation now, it's a simple principle...

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

It will easily pass the HoC.

Guido Fawkes says in the region of 400 MPs will vote for Article 50 to be triggered.

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

And we all remember this image don't we? HoL will be playing with fire if they play silly buggers...pity Tory MPs voted down Lords reform in retrospect :/\

 

[jpejpe1008]

USA/Britain/Russia trifecta for world peace coming soon

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

It's not referencing an EU Act, the 1972 Act mentioned is UK legislation, namely The European Communities Act 1972, the ruling is sensible, what the UK Parliament legislated in 1972 needs to be removed by UK Parliament legislation now, it's a simple principle...

I'm referring to the 2009 Lisbon treaty of course, something that did not exist at the time of the European Communities Act. We're not experts of course, but the 1972 act essentially implies that UK law must implement EU law automatically.

How ironic that in this case the UK court then effectively disagrees, triggering article 50 is acting in accordance with EU law which specifically states only the prime minister can do it. Conveniently now the UK court says no, let's ignore the EU law in this specific case because our own law that gave power to EU law to automatically apply was put into place by parliament.

It reeks, absolutely reeks, of a desperate hunt for any technicality that could perhaps open the door to ignoring the will of the people and keeping the failed status quo in place a little longer.

 

[jpejpe1008]

[video=youtube_share;h7ir_XUDSXk]https://youtu.be/h7ir_XUDSXk[/video]

 

[Dave]

How ironic that in this case the UK court then effectively disagrees, triggering article 50 is acting in accordance with EU law which specifically states only the prime minister can do it.

it does?

Article 50 – Treaty on European Union (TEU)
1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.
2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.
3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.
4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.
A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.
5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49.

 

[ponder]

The real universe.

There was a referendum, the people voted. If you are the gov you should listen to the people else it's gonna bite you in the ass as the ruling party.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-to-be-published-within-days-says-david-davis

David Davis is likely to introduce a “straightforward” Brexit bill on Thursday, two days after a significant ruling by the supreme court, sources have suggested.

The secretary of state for exiting the EU said he would respond quickly to judges’ demands to give MPs and peers a vote in parliament but warned that the “point of no return” for Brexit had already been passed.

“This does not change the fact that the UK will be leaving the European Union,” he said.

The government is hoping to publish the bill on Thursday but there is a possibility it could slip beyond that.

Davis said the legislation would be narrow, focusing only on the question of triggering article 50, and warned that it must not be used as a “vehicle for attempts to thwart the will of the people, or frustrate or delay the process of our exit from the European Union”.

 

[Dave]

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-to-be-published-within-days-says-david-davis

Though the Scots have already announced plans to delay and obstruct the bill with 50 amendments already planned.

NICOLA Sturgeon’s SNP will table FIFTY “serious and substantive” amendments to a Brexit Bill when it is brought forward in the Commons – including plans to keep us IN the EU.

After this morning’s Supreme Court ruling – which said that Theresa May needs a vote in Parliament before triggering Article 50 – the Scottish First Minister stepped up her threats to delay Brexit.

The third-largest party in the Commons said it would put forward 50 amendments to the legislation, which is due to be drawn up within days.

They included demanding the Government produce a white paper before invoking article 50, and that if Parliament reject a deal, Britain should be able to revise the “current terms of membership”.

Alex Salmond, the Former First Minister, said today that his party would give “the people the choice of an independent future in Europe, and rejecting the angry and isolated Britain the Tories are planning”.

Ms Sturgeon has said she will still seek a vote in the Scottish Parliament opposing triggering Article 50, and that the Westminster Government was dictating Scotland’s future.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2689830/nicola-sturgeons-snp-plan-50-amendments-to-brexit-bill/

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Going to be interesting to see how it plays out, since the ruling says quite specifically the Scottish and North Irish Parliaments don't have to be consulted on whether to trigger or not.

Sturgeon seems to want to push for a snap referendum on independence again.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...makes-need-independence-vote-clearer-scotland

The supreme court’s 11 justices, including two Scottish judges, said the longstanding convention that the UK’s three devolved parliaments had a right to vote on any Westminster legislation that affected their powers did not apply to EU membership.

The Welsh and Northern Irish governments had also called for their assemblies to be formally asked to approve triggering article 50. But the court ruled that the Sewel convention, named after the Labour peer who drafted that clause, applied to domestic not international affairs.

 

[Dave]

Going to be interesting to see how it plays out, since the ruling says quite specifically the Scottish and North Irish Parliaments don't have to be consulted on whether to trigger or not.

Sturgeon seems to want to push for a snap referendum on independence again.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...makes-need-independence-vote-clearer-scotland

Don't forget the SNP have 59 MPs at Westminster as well, so they are possibly in a position to filibuster, the Liberal Democrats are also opposed and even though they currently only have 9 MPs they have over 100 Peers in the Lords.

There was even talk of Sinn Fein taking their Westminster seats for the first time ever to oppose the art 50 bill. I might be wrong, but I don't foresee it having a smooth passage without a miracle.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Don't forget the SNP have 59 MPs at Westminster as well, so they are possibly in a position to filibuster, the Liberal Democrats are also opposed and even though they currently only have 9 MPs they have over 100 Peers in the Lords.

There was even talk of Sinn Fein taking their Westminster seats for the first time ever to oppose the art 50 bill. I might be wrong, but I don't foresee it having a smooth passage without a miracle.

Indeed.

Lib Dems say they will oppose Article 50 unless there's a second EU referendum

There's some irony in the people that were raging so hard for Parliamentary sovereignty are now upset that the Supreme Court affirmed the UK's parliamentary sovereignty.

 

[Dave]

And of course the curved ball currently being contemplated in the Irish Courts to precipitate a referral to the EU Courts.

https://fullfact.org/law/why-there-brexit-court-case-ireland/

 

[zippy]

In its in the quote, and fairly easy to understand.



This isn't a dictatorship, Parliament is supreme, not the government or the Prime Minister...

Wasn't the whole point of the referendum to return power to Parlement.?

This whole thing has been a waste of time and money. Just bring the legislation to Parlement. If it gets voted down, call a general election and then the new Parlement can move forward.

 

[JayM]

Going to be interesting to see how it plays out, since the ruling says quite specifically the Scottish and North Irish Parliaments don't have to be consulted on whether to trigger or not.

Sturgeon seems to want to push for a snap referendum on independence again.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...makes-need-independence-vote-clearer-scotland

SNP are in no position to call a referendum now and they know it. They can call one when they are polling at 60%+, not 45%.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Passport to Paris? City rolls out red carpets to arrivals from Brexit London

Britain’s vote to leave the European Union sparked outpourings of shock and regret across the continent – followed quickly by calculations of the potentially rich pickings to be had from its departure.

Nowhere more so than in Paris, which set about rolling out not one but many red carpets to lure the Brexit-wary away from London. Promises came fast and thick: lower taxes, easing of employment laws, even the possibility of filing official documents in English – some departure in a country where the “language of Shakespeare” has long been seen as a threat to French.

Today, those behind Paris’s campaigns to become the EU’s new financial hub say their efforts are bearing fruit and are generating “enormous interest” from world banks and financial institutions who, they claim, are planning to move all or part of their operations to Paris. Nobody is naming names, although a fortnight ago banking giant HSBC announced it was preparing to move 1,000 workers from London to Paris because of confusion over the UK government’s Brexit plans.

French officials predict up to 60,000 jobs – half from the financial sector and half from other British-based industries – could move to Paris following Brexit. “And every one of these jobs creates another three or four in commerce, services and property,” says Valérie Pécresse, president of the Île-de-France region. “Brexit is profoundly regrettable, but we cannot be passive or naive.”

 

[rietrot]

Passport to Paris? City rolls out red carpets to arrivals from Brexit London

Lol. Until Le Pen win the French elections and they also leave the EU.

 

[HavocXphere]

ugh at this pace I'm going to have to learn French

But if the bigger question is ‘why Paris?’, my question is ‘where else?’ And that’s without even talking about the lifestyle or attractiveness of Paris as a city, which is something else – as I often say, when did you last book a weekend in Frankfurt?”

hmm...good point