The Brexit Thread

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Dave said:
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and the jazz and the accord and the cr-v no longer being manufactured at swindon are not because of brexit,

that plant only produces the civic, it is also the only honda manufacturing plant in europe, so the only honda car being produced in europe is the civic.

why keep producing this one car there if you now have free trade deals, not that they needed an fta to move their other cars back to japan before brexit.

seems like bandwagon hysteria to me, blame anything and everything on brexit

it also appears production at the plant has been in decline
 
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access said:
and the jazz and the accord and the cr-v no longer being manufactured at swindon are not because of brexit,

that plant only produces the civic, it is also the only honda manufacturing plant in europe, so the only honda car being produced in europe is the civic.

we keep producing this one car there if you now have free trade deals, not that they needed an fta to move their other cars back to japan before brexit.

seems like bandwagon hysteria to me, blame anything and everything on brexit
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It’s far more simple, as things stand there’s a chance of duty being applied to the vehicles if made at Swindon, Honda can rather build in Japan and import to Europe duty free. They also get the added benefit of adding jobs in their home market.

Honda were making noises last year already about the dangers of a no deal Brexit being too expensive, this isn’t a spur of the moment decision imo, it’s being on the cards since last year.
 
Dave said:
It’s far more simple, as things stand there’s a chance of duty being applied to the vehicles if made at Swindon, Honda can rather build in Japan and import to Europe duty free. They also get the added benefit of adding jobs in their home market.

Honda were making noises last year already about the dangers of a no deal Brexit being too expensive, this isn’t a spur of the moment decision imo, it’s being on the cards since last year.
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i thought they could negotiate their own trade deals during transition, or is this being dragged along


also mentioning duties, what are the duties like for exporting to outside of the eu? i see they are not even selling half of the amount cars manufactured at swindon in the whole of europe
 
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access said:
i thought they could negotiate their own trade deals during transition, or is this being dragged along


also mentioning duties, what are the duties like for exporting to outside of the eu? i see they are not even selling half of the amount cars manufactured at swindon in the whole of europe
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I’ve heard 10% mentioned, but any duty is more than the 0% at present and 0% in the future by moving the line to Japan.

Honda had said it was going to cost them tens of millions of pounds in the event of a bad Brexit, they probably decided it was cheaper and more advantageous in the long term to spend those tens of millions on upgrading a home plant to make the line.
 
It all depends who said it doesn't it. Honda hasn't yet outlined it's reasons, but bear in mind that because of the FTA between Japan/EU, cars exported into EU from Japan will from 2027 have zero tariffs, declining down from where they are now. UK, being out of EU with no deal, possibly 10% tariffs on cars into EU.
So, a future business planning decision. Wise.

So, indirectly caused by Brexit, as UK might not have access to that FTA, and Japan are saying UK won't have the same.

From the Guardian (anti-Brexit, so also biased)

"Automotive firms and the industry’s trade body – the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders – have repeatedly sounded dire warnings about the dangers of a no-deal exit and Honda itself has said it would cost the company tens of millions of pounds.
Earlier this month, Nissan ditched plans to build its new X-Trail SUV in Sunderland, while Ford has said it will shed 1,000 jobs as part of a wider European cost-cutting plan.
Jaguar Land Rover has cited Brexit among the factors in its own job cuts.
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
Yawn.

https://t.co/mgypKn1Q0G

Notice that once again they are not moving to another country in the EU but that logic seems to escape Remoaners.
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How do you keep self-owning like this, Chris?

You post a link about the EU-Japan FTA. Guess who would be in that FTA if not for Brexit...?
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
Guess who would have FTA's with whoever they wanted to by now if not for 40 years of EU servitude ...
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Nobody forced you to get in.

We (the frogs) actually used to refuse you, and you insisted. Bunch of flip-floppers!

Nemo auditur propriam suam turpitudinem allegans.
 
OrbitalDawn said:
How do you keep self-owning like this, Chris?

You post a link about the EU-Japan FTA. Guess who would be in that FTA if not for Brexit...?
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Nope I don't keep self owning. Do you have problems with basic comprehension? Do tell me about why Honda's Turkey operations are also disappearing. Also did you notice they are only formally closing THREE YEARS from now? If they were worried about tariffs, theyd be closing much faster!

The EU-Japan FTA means there is no incentive to build in Europe, hence why no car production is going to any of the EU countries. If Brexit is the main cause as Remoaners likely you are making it out to be (which is false), then you'd think they'd be moving car production to a country inside the EU, which they are not.
 
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