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C4Cat said:
He's right, a disagreement is not the same thing as a negotiation, is it?
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I can't even.

Negotiation is the process before you get to the agreement or disagreements.
If there is a disagreement then there was at least an attempted negotiation.
 
C4Cat said:
He's right, a disagreement is not the same thing as a negotiation, is it?
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disagreeing during negotiations is part of negotiating.

you dont just agree to everything. thats not negotiating.


that vid actually gives me more insight into the eu digging their heals in against brexit tbh.
 
access said:
disagreeing during negotiations is part of negotiating.

you dont just agree to everything. thats not negotiating.


that vid actually gives me more insight into the eu digging their heals in against brexit tbh.
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Ding ding ding.

Sure hasn't stopped the wet blankets though.
 
access said:
disagreeing during negotiations is part of negotiating.

you dont just agree to everything. thats not negotiating.


that vid actually gives me more insight into the eu digging their heals in against brexit tbh.
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Yes, it's part of negotiations but is not, in itself, a negotiation. Don't be daft, I mean we are disagreeing now, aren't we? I suppose you think we are negotiating :rolleyes:

The issue here is the Irish backstop. Saying "I don't want the Irish backstop" is not negotiating. Saying "I don't want the Irish backstop but propose the following solution to this border problem..." - that is negotiating. Unless the UK can provide an alternative to the backstop then what you have is a disagreement, not a negotiation.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
and the EU legislation that enforces no deal come 31 October is laughing in its sleeve

let's pass more completely powerless bills :ROFL:
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What are you on about now? EU legislation that enforces no deal come 31 October? The EU has actually indicated they are open to another extension.
 
access said:
disagreeing during negotiations is part of negotiating.

you dont just agree to everything. thats not negotiating.


that vid actually gives me more insight into the eu digging their heals in against brexit tbh.
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Exactly. Will go over the heads of the Remoaners in this thread...
 
C4Cat said:
What are you on about now? EU legislation that enforces no deal come 31 October? The EU has actually indicated they are open to another extension.
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Of course they are. Many of them want to cancel the vote, as they effectively did in France, Netherlands & Ireland over the new EU Constitution.
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
Exactly. Will go over the heads of the Remoaners in this thread...
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So can you tell me what Boris Johnson's solution to the Irish border problem is? The EU is not digging their heels in over this, they simply want to know what the alternative being suggested is. Until the UK indicates what it wants there is nothing the EU can actually do.
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
Of course they are. Many of them want to cancel the vote, as they effectively did in France, Netherlands & Ireland over the new EU Constitution.
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Explain how this is related to supposed EU legislation that enforces no deal come 31 October, please.
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
Exactly. Will go over the heads of the Remoaners in this thread...
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C4Cat said:
Explain how this is related to supposed EU legislation that enforces no deal come 31 October, please.
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The EU know, through the numerous votes, there is currently a pro EU majority in the HoC who will prevent no deal. Literally the EU must be canning themselves. They have MPs doing their own dirty work for them by undermining the government from their own party. Fortunately once the new election comes about, the large majority of Tory Europhiles will be banished from the party, a mere footnote in history. The conservative party is actually being an actual conservative party again and not the leftward drift it was under the Major/Cameron/May years.
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
The EU know, through the numerous votes, there is currently a pro EU majority in the HoC who will prevent no deal. Literally the EU must be canning themselves. They have MPs doing their own dirty work for them by undermining the government from their own party. Fortunately once the new election comes about, the large majority of Tory Europhiles will be banished from the party, a mere footnote in history. The conservative party is actually being an actual conservative party again and not the leftward drift it was under the Major/Cameron/May years.
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Explain how this is related to supposed EU legislation that enforces no deal come 31 October, please.
 
Poor Bojo, everyone except Chris seems to be out to give him a bit of a kicking.

The Independent now thinks he should resign.

Boris Johnson’s only way out of this crisis is to resign

Jo Johnson’s resignation may not have much practical effect, but it is symbolic, and it dramatises his brother’s problem.

The prime minister cannot have an early election, because Labour MPs refuse to vote for it. He won’t ask for a Brexitextension, as required to do by the backbench bill that will be law by Monday. It looks as if he will have to resign.

Boris Johnson could even announce his intention to resign – as prime minister but not as leader of the Conservative Party – on Monday. He would have to do it anyway by 19 October, which is the date set in Hilary Benn’s bill by which whoever is prime minister would have to sign a letter to Donald Tusk, the EU president, asking for an extension to the Article 50 period.

But what is the point of waiting? Once Benn’s bill becomes law on Monday, the prime minister is trapped. As he said in the Commons yesterday, “it is a Bill that effectively ends the negotiations.” There is not much more for him to talk about with the EU, because the other EU leaders know that we won’t be leaving without a deal on 31 October.

Johnson could spend the next five weeks just being prime minister, without parliament to bother him, but on borrowed time. He could attend the EU summit on 17-18 October, but with nothing substantive to say.

Whenever he chooses to announce his resignation, his only alternative would seem to be to eat not just his words but his pride and any semblance of credibility with Leave voters.

No one knows what will happen if Johnson announced his resignation. He would, presumably, refuse to advise the Queen as to whom she should invite to form a government instead. We would be in the unlikely territory of the House of Commons having to try to unite behind someone as temporary prime minister.

This caretaker figure would be charged with writing the “Dear Donald” letter that Johnson refuses to write, and then presiding over an election – after 31 October.

But who would it be? Jo Swinson, leader of the Liberal Democrat’s (now 16 strong), doesn’t want Jeremy Corbyn; and it’s hard to see Corbyn acquiescing in Kenneth Clarke, now an independent Conservative. I have argued beforethat Clarke has more implied support in the Commons than Corbyn has.

Unlikely as it may seem, Clarke could be a short-term prime minister rather soon, before a general election in November or December.
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:ROFL: Ken Clarke as PM! That should be just what @Chris_the_Brit wants, I’m sure.

Full article at https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...election-brexit-extension-delay-a9093116.html
 
theratman said:
Don't think it's great for Bojo to resign, it'll be passing the buck along too soon. He needs to deliver Brexit as promised, be it deal or no deal.
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The Indie has a point though, Parliament has broken his power (or will have when the No Deal Bill passes on Monday) and his only (lawful) choices will be to bend to Parliament’s will or resign.

Unless he negotiates a deal with the EU in the next month or so...
 
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