The Brexit Thread

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

In practice that doesn't mean much. Not when even in the UK the party can instruct members how to vote. First past the post tends to be favoured by the larger political parties because it gives them an unfair advantage. In South Africa you can see the benefit of proportional representation.

I must of course assume that all Leave supporters are opposed to first past the post because of the manner in which it denies people representation in government. They are after all all about the demos.

But there's greater scope to rebel -- look at Corbyn. He defied the whip hundreds of times as a backbencher and wasn't fired. Brexiteer Tories defied Theresa May when voting against the Withdrawal Agreement - none of them were "fired" (deselected). The only time you are expected to resign when voting against the party whip is if you are a Minister. By the way, on a FPTP basis, the EU referendum was a far clearer victory for Leave than Remain. Over 400 constituencies voted to Leave.

You are voting for the party regardless. That's why there is a party manifesto.

True. But you might also get a personal vote that pushes you over the line - perhaps you helped lots of people with local issues that won't come up in polling. Also, it is sometimes the case that incumbents can defy the national picture - this can only really be put down to some sort of personal vote.

 

[C4Cat]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1204728905766227969

 

[Pitbull]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1204728905766227969

Just looking at the likes and the amount of discussions, it's obvious no one gives two farks

 

[Ancalagon]

The problem is I think austerity was needed to reduce the fiscal debt. There was just no way around it. You can't spend for ever.

Socialists are big on helping everyone out, but the money to do so has to come from somewhere.

Yes, the banks should not have paid bonuses while making a loss, that I disagree with.

I don't think the answer is just spend, spend, spend, I think the answer is spend a little more than the Tories have up till now.

 

[theratman]

Just looking at the likes and the amount of discussions, it's obvious no one gives two farks

It was posted 2 hours ago? Or was it 1 hour ago with DST? 10k likes after that amount of time is hardly nothing.

 

[Pitbull]

It was posted 2 hours ago?

And shared world wide as can be seen on a South African Forum... Yet, nothing

 

[Rosaudio]

The problem is I think austerity was needed to reduce the fiscal debt. There was just no way around it. You can't spend for ever.

Socialists are big on helping everyone out, but the money to do so has to come from somewhere.

Yes, the banks should not have paid bonuses while making a loss, that I disagree with.

I don't think the answer is just spend, spend, spend, I think the answer is spend a little more than the Tories have up till now.

The debt isn't reducing though. Debt rose from 65% of GDP in May 2010 to 83% as of March 2019.

 

[Dave]

So it turns out the original Facebook account that began the fake news story trying to claim the child having to sleep on the floor at the Leeds General Infirmary was fake and set up for the photo is connected to Matt Hancock.

1. A concerned mother shares a photo of her 4-year-old boy who was forced to wait hours on a hospital floor with suspected pneumonia.

2. The photo circulates online so a journalist challenges Boris Johnson about it during an interview by showing him the picture of the boy on his phone.

3. Johnson repeatedly refuses to even look at the boy, let alone acknowledge responsibility for the situation, and eventually steals the journalists phone and puts it in his pocket.

4. There is uproar about Johnson’s lack of compassion so Health Minister, Matt Hancock, is dispatched to the hospital to deal with the situation.

A Facebook post then appears claiming to be from a “good friend” of a nurse working in Leeds hospital. The post says that the photograph of the 4-year-old was faked by a “Labour activist”. The post is shared more than 30,000 times.

The account where the post originated then comes into question. It belongs to a (real) woman named Sheree Jenner-Hepburn who claims her account has “hacked”.

Further investigation shows that Sheree Jenner-Hepburn was not the innocent victim of a hack, but that the post was made from her account intentionally, as she responded to her friend’s comments on the post.

16. It’s then discovered that Sheree Jenner-Hepburn’s son has a Facebook friend with a very prominent role within this story which may cast light on the motives behind the fake post.

17. It’s… Matt Hancock’s account!!!

In summary: it appears that the actual Health Minister of the British Government has not only fabricated a “punch” to deflect the heat from his boss, but, after being found out the first time, he *may* have used his friend’s Facebook account to circulate another entirely fabricated story to try and smear his political opponents.

Strap yourselves in folks, one of the political stories of the century is brewing... - Dorset Eye

1. A concerned mother shares a photo of her 4-year-old boy who was forced to wait hours on a hospital floor with suspected pneumonia. 2. The photo circulates online so a journalist challenges Boris Johnson about it during an interview by showing him the picture of the boy on his phone. 3...

dorseteye.com

Untrue conspiracy theory about boy in Leeds hospital photo sweeps internet

Politicans, journalists and Twitter users have reshared a story claiming a photograph of a boy in hospital was staged

inews.co.uk

 

[theratman]

And shared world wide as can be seen on a South African Forum... Yet, nothing

It's got 14k likes and 10k retweets already (within a hour or 2), how many does it need out of interest?

 

[C4Cat]

Just looking at the likes and the amount of discussions, it's obvious no one gives two farks

Oh well that's ok then.

 

[Pitbull]

It's got 14k likes and 10k retweets already (within a hour or 2), how many does it need out of interest?View attachment 755382

That is globally, and even at that a very long shot away from what? 16million?

 

[Pitbull]

Oh well that's ok then.

I said it was?

You seem to be making a whole lot of assumptions as of late

 

[Cray]

That is globally, and even at that a very long shot away from what? 16million?

Wait, what...? A post about the British general election is irrelevant because more people globally, people who can't even vote in a British election, aren't interested in it...?

 

[C4Cat]

I said it was?

You seem to be making a whole lot of assumptions as of late

No, I said it was

 

[Pitbull]

Wait, what...? A post about the British general election is irrelevant to the because more people globally, people who can't vote in a British election, aren't interested in it...?

Another useless assumption...

I'm thinking I need to start drawing pictures as of later. The left has completely lost it

Globally, 10.4k odd retweets, 14.9k likes. WOW!

How many people will vote in the British election tomorrow? (In Britain alone) 33m odd right?
LOL, it's hilarious

 

[Dave]

LOL

Boris Johnson hides in fridge on live TV while dodging interview on eve of election

Tory aide seen mouthing ‘oh for f***’s sake’ after seeing ‘Good Morning Britain’ reporter
Conrad Duncan1 hour ago

Boris Johnson hid in a fridge while being pursued by a TV reporter attempting to interview him on the eve of the general election.

The prime minister was joining an early morning milk round in Leeds when he was confronted by Good Morning Britain’s Jonathan Swain about his “promise to talk to Piers [Morgan] and Susanna [Reid]”.

“I’ll be with you in a second,” Mr Johnson replied, before escaping into a large fridge.

In a video of the incident, one of the prime minister’s aides can be seen mouthing “oh for f***’s sake” after seeing Swain approaching the group.

“I’ve known you for 25 years, what is the matter with you?” Morgan said after the confrontation.

Boris Johnson hides in fridge on live TV while dodging interview on eve of election

Tory aide seen mouthing ‘oh for f***’s sake’ after seeing ‘Good Morning Britain’ reporter

www.independent.co.uk

 

[theratman]

That is globally, and even at that a very long shot away from what? 16million?

So you need 16 millions likes / rt on Twitter, or what exactly?

 

[Cray]

Another useless assumption...

I'm thinking I need to start drawing pictures as of later. The left has completely lost it

Globally, 10.4k odd retweets, 14.9k likes. WOW!

How many people will vote in the British election tomorrow? (In Britain alone) 33m odd right?
LOL, it's hilarious

"Pitbull logic", if not enough people like and share a tweet then clearly no one is interested......

 

[Pitbull]

So you need 16 millions likes / rt on Twitter, or what exactly?

I would assume that is why it's being shared? wasn't that Corbyn's objective? To smear his opponent. One would assume that it would at least showed a bit of traction if anyone cared. But alas... Boris is going to take it and just like Trump, no amount of crying and whining will change that.

 

[Pitbull]

"Pitbull logic", if not enough people like and share a tweet then clearly no one is interested......

Proof is in the pudding unfortunately. Doesn't seem to have any weight, no idea what Corbyn tried. Actually looks like desperation if you ask me