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Another May problem.

When asked if her 13 MPs in Scotland should back remaining in the single market regardless of how their colleagues south of the border vote, Ms Davidson said: "There are an awful lot of issues surrounding Brexit that need to be discussed.

"Clearly there's no majority government that's come through after this election, and that means that we do have to listen to other parties."

Ms Davidson said the party's representatives in Scotland will vote "entirely as they believe they should", a hint that they could prove problematic for Mrs May on certain issues as she attempts to keep her minority government together.

In separate remarks, Ms Davidson vowed to put Scotland's case "forcefully" to the PM and dismissed reports she will break the Scottish Conservatives away from the UK party in the aftermath of the election.
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http://news.sky.com/story/ruth-davidson-tories-need-to-listen-to-other-parties-on-brexit-10911078
 
'Drop hard Brexit plans', leading Tory and Labour MPs tell May

Senior Tory and Labour MPs called on Theresa May to forge a new cross-party approach to Brexit as fears grew that the prime minister’s weakness could lead to the imminent collapse of talks on the UK’s exit from the European Union.

In a dramatic demonstration of May’s loss of authority, as a result of Thursday’s general election – which stripped her of a Commons majority – the MPs demanded that she in effect drop her own Tory “hard Brexit” plans in favour of a new “national” consensus, that would be endorsed by members from all sides of the House of Commons.

The proposal, if adopted, would throw open the debate on what kind of Brexit the country wants, with just a week to go before May is due to lead the country in formal negotiations with the EU on the terms of exit.
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This is actually maybe not a bad idea. A multi-party Brexit commission to do it properly. Use the UK's best negotiators and experts, not just party operatives.
 
OrbitalDawn said:
This is actually maybe not a bad idea. A multi-party Brexit commission to do it properly. Use the UK's best negotiators and experts, not just party operatives.
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Agreed with this. Let's hope May listens to these calls.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...mand-to-agree-divorce-bill-before-trade-talks

British negotiators have capitulated to key European demands for a phased approach to Brexit talks, agreeing to park discussions on free trade until they have thrashed out the cost of the multibillion-euro UK divorce settlement.

Putting a brave face on a concession that may further strengthen the tactical dominance of the EU, the Brexit secretary, David Davis, insisted his initial retreat remained consistent with long-term government strategy.
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You were saying, Chris?
 
The_Assimilator said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...mand-to-agree-divorce-bill-before-trade-talks



You were saying, Chris?
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Saying what, exactly? The amount "leaked" by the EU (they don't seem to agree whether it is 60 or 100 billion. They make it up as they go along - clearly evidence of an organised negotiation position :crylaugh: ) will be far above what Britain might actually pay. You do know it's a negotiation? The UK (IIRC) have calculated a figure of about 3 billion.

By the way - do lefties finally realise that leave means leave? Shame all that talk from London metropolitan elites and Labour about the election giving May 'no mandate' for Brexit went up in smoke.

David Davis and EU rule out soft Brexit on day one of negotiations

David Davis and the EU slammed the door on any prospect of a “soft” Brexit as formal negotiations on leaving the EU finally got underway in Brussels.

The Brexit Secretary confirmed Britain would be leaving the customs union and the single market, in a move designed to scupper any parliamentary plots to water down the terms of the UK’s withdrawal from Europe.

His counterpart, Michel Barnier, the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator, also confirmed that Britain would leave the single market and the customs union.

Such a unified public declaration of the intention to press ahead with a “hard” Brexit, sends a clear message to former Remain campaigners in Parliament who still hope membership of the customs union and the single market are up for grabs.
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Chris_the_Brit said:
Saying what, exactly? The amount "leaked" by the EU (they don't seem to agree whether it is 60 or 100 billion. They make it up as they go along - clearly evidence of an organised negotiation position :crylaugh: ) will be far above what Britain might actually pay. You do know it's a negotiation? The UK (IIRC) have calculated a figure of about 3 billion.

By the way - do lefties finally realise that leave means leave? Shame all that talk from London metropolitan elites and Labour about the election giving May 'no mandate' for Brexit went up in smoke.

David Davis and EU rule out soft Brexit on day one of negotiations
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Funny how you backtrack. A few months ago, you were saying that UK will never pay and leave the negotiations and that a hard Brexit is good.

The amount is agreed, 100 billion gross, 60 billion net. The gross amount is €86.4bn for the commitments made as a member. https://www.ft.com/content/69296fe6-51be-11e7-a1f2-db19572361bb

On top of that, you have:

- 11.5bn of contingent liabilities for Ukrainian and Irish loans (so payable only should the loans not be repaid).
- 1.7bn of development funding pledges.

The gross bill comes to 99.6bn, the net bill comes to 60.2bn excluding EIB commitments.

That's where the 60 vs 100 billion come from.

There is a perfectly defined negotiation position.

Sorry to ruin your day !
 
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Chris_the_Brit said:
By the way - do lefties finally realise that leave means leave
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Brexit is neither associated with left nor right. Talking about "lefties" in this context just makes you look like a fool. Corbyn and the unions have been Euroskeptic for years.

If there is a hard Brexit with no deal or a bad deal and the economy goes (even more) to crap, the "lefties" will sweep into power. Current polling support for soft Brexit is near 70% - why is democracy suddenly not good enough anymore?
 
Increase of 254% of British asking for the French nationality in 2016. The number is small, it's 1363 requests completed.

Since January 2017, the numbers increase even more but the statistics will only be known at the end of the year.

One immigration office in Brittany (not UK but the province at the East of France) received 110 requests since January vs 50 in 2016 and 10/20 before 2016.

Almost all the applications are made from British living since a long time in France or British married to a French.

http://www.lemonde.fr/referendum-su...nalite-francaise-en-2016_5147585_4872498.html
 
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Dave said:
Pretty sure the region of France is called Brittany, not Britain...
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Good point. Frenglish in there.

It's called Bretagne in french and the pronunciation is quite close to Britain rather than Brittany.
 
JayM said:
Brexit is neither associated with left nor right. Talking about "lefties" in this context just makes you look like a fool. Corbyn and the unions have been Euroskeptic for years.

If there is a hard Brexit with no deal or a bad deal and the economy goes (even more) to crap, the "lefties" will sweep into power. Current polling support for soft Brexit is near 70% - why is democracy suddenly not good enough anymore?
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It's sad how he can't seem to let go of partisan rancour on this topic.
 
JayM said:
Brexit is neither associated with left nor right. Talking about "lefties" in this context just makes you look like a fool. Corbyn and the unions have been Euroskeptic for years.

If there is a hard Brexit with no deal or a bad deal and the economy goes (even more) to crap, the "lefties" will sweep into power. Current polling support for soft Brexit is near 70% - why is democracy suddenly not good enough anymore?
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Apparently everyone voted for hard Brexit without being asked , nothing else seems to be acceptable to some.

The fact that they actually voted for an extra £350m per week in the NHS is being seemingly ignored at this stage
 
Sky News' Northern Ireland correspondent describes Theresa May's apparently botched deal with the DUP as "a quite extraordinary debacle".

Sky News says DUP have "been surprised at the [low] level of negotiating experience" in May's government. That bodes well.
 
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