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Whright said:
I’m with you on this one Spizz, give Scotland another referendum, I only hope this time they vote to break away from the UK.

No disrespect to you personally.
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None taken. The Indy question is tearing Scotland apart and another vote would be decisive which ever way it falls. Also, many who want to break away are now questioning the SNP tactics and resentment from all sides is growing in the same way it did towards politicians who failed to resolve Brexit as it rumbled on for years.
 
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Spizz said:
None taken. The Indy question is tearing Scotland apart and another vote would be decisive which ever way it falls. Also, many who want to break away are now questioning the SNP tactics and resentment from all sides is growing in the same way it did towards politicians who failed to resolve Brexit as it rumbled on for years.
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I don't know about any of the resentment, I haven't seen that but anyway, it's worth reading Nicola Sturgeon’s statement on Scotland’s future..
www.snp.org

Nicola Sturgeon’s statement on Scotland’s future — Scottish National Party

As the great Nelson Mandela said – ‘It always seems impossible until it is done’. In Scotland I believe we are on the cusp of such a moment.
www.snp.org www.snp.org
 
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Some - Yay party it's Brexit day
Others - Goddamnit it's Brexit day

Me - It's another Friday, where we going for our date ...... :D
 
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C4Cat said:
I don't know about any of the resentment, I haven't seen that but anyway, it's worth reading Nicola Sturgeon’s statement on Scotland’s future..
www.snp.org

Nicola Sturgeon’s statement on Scotland’s future — Scottish National Party

As the great Nelson Mandela said – ‘It always seems impossible until it is done’. In Scotland I believe we are on the cusp of such a moment.
www.snp.org www.snp.org
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Resentment is reaching fever pitch. I’m Scottish and have a lot of friends I’m still in touch with as well as my Facebook and Twitter feeds etc and trust me, things are getting ugly. My background and pals are pretty much staunch unionists, and they have had enough. The charge is neglect as the government put indyref2 in front of running a functioning country.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m a Nicola Sturgeon fan, but she getting too much for even me now when today she’s bringing Nelson Mandela into the independence debate and putting herself forward as a martyr in the same mould.

People simply want her to do her job and run the country, but that has become secondary to her obsession with another referendum.
 
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I should add, that when I lived in Scotland I was at one time a card carrying member of the SNP. But what Sturgeon seems to conveniently forget is that there was a vote and Scottish people chose to stay as part of the UK. And part of that deal was to be under the rule of Westminster. They gave up their right to speak as a country and aligned themselves with the union and it was done democratically. So now you can’t just simply say no we didn’t because you don’t like the path the union has subsequently taken.
 
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Mephisto_Helix said:
Some - Yay party it's Brexit day
Others - Goddamnit it's Brexit day

Me - It's another Friday, where we going for our date ...... :D
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I have my companies Christmas Party today.

Yes our 2019 Christmas Party in January.

50% of the staff are from France. At 11pm tonight they have to go party on their own.
 
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well f-me, been saying for years you don't need a political union to have free trade and movement, and you should learn that this super state commie dream doesn't work, just look at the USSR

did not know I was channeling Thatcher!

anyway, happy brexit day!

hopefully this is the first step towards Britain regaining its spine and eventually showing what its capable of when not hampered by some BS bureaucracy
 
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I wonder what new freedoms the British public are waking up to today? The only obvious change I can think of will be restriction of movement, and that's not much of a gain in the freedom stakes.

It's truly amazing how the establishment have sold this as a victory for the people.
 
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Irvine Welsh's Brexit take, copied from his Twitter feed. Worth a read and as a guy with a similar background to him and millions like him, it hits the spot bang on for me.

Was never a fan of the EU and way it served the neoliberal establishment of bankers and imperialist nation states. It’s silence on events in France and Catalonia as well it’s behavior in Greece is indicative of its self-serving nature.

But it has served a purpose of maintaining the peace and unity that people wanted after the horror of WW2. Perversely the campaign against it has enabled the worst and most deluded from my own generation, who grew up with tales of the war and were never tested.

We read **** comics and fought meaningless football mob battles to try and simulate the camaraderie and excitement that our kin got in action. But many grew bitter that they were never tested, so reimagined the UK as perennial planet WW2, and adopted a Dads Army posturing

So leaving the EU, which could have been an act of real political rebellion, has been the sad posturing of a late middle aged working class, crushed be industrialization and neoliberalism. It’s achieved a hollow victory..

...over a poncey metropolitan elite who sold it down the river with their smug Blairism, turning a blind eye to the continuation of Thatcherism by other means in return for their own lifestyle trinkets. Thus driving them back into the hands of the viscous Etonian elite...

...that has been shafting them for generations. They are the winners in this: it’s irrelevant whether brexit is a ‘success’ to anybody else, (I can’t see how it can be) it will be for them whatever happens. The point is that nobody comes out of this mess looking good.

On a personal level, I’ll probably do very well financially. I’ll take my money that’s in US dollars and wait till the pound hits a low before investing in UK. I’ll buy low, like the Rees Moggs, Farages etc albeit on a smaller scale.

But pro brexit people who aren’t in my position are singing as they dance along the edge of a crumbling cliff. Yes, it might be short-term fun to see people who have more formal education and therefore think they are cleverer in a bit of discomfort, but ultimately...

...what good is leaving the EU going to do for Wales, or Stoke, Wolverhampton or Teeside? And what will putting your trust in Etonians do? Some people will read this and say ‘dry your eyes’ etc. But I genuinely have no skin in this game...

And they will know, as will I, they’re reacting in this way only because they can’t answer that question. The only thing that saddens me personally is the intellectual enfeeblement of my generation. Comprehensive education, trade union activism etc ...

...all reduced to some slavering ignoramus bleating Daily Mail or alt right website pish about ‘immigration’. If I was a young cnut I’d be looking forward to the cull of my beaten, posturing, cowardly generation, so they could move on without all that schit.
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