The Brexit Thread

[Pitbull]

You have no clue.

It is the same as voting for a factory to be built in your town.

The pro factory guys says its just a factory, it will be great.

The anti factory guys say it is a factory that produces nuclear radiation and will poison our water.

Bah Project fear!!!

Pro factory wins. Factory is built and nukes the town. You got your factory after all, who cares about the details.

So you are anti-Democracy?

Wait, don't even know why I'm asking this, the answer from all the remoaners is a resounding YES...

 

[access]

Yep - a trade agreement where EU = 450 million people and UK = 60 million people.
Clearly the UK has the advantage

india has more than a billion people, yet uk ranks above it and theyre not to far off the eu.

do you know what you are talking about

 

[buka001]

So you are anti-Democracy?

Wait, don't even know why I'm asking this, the answer from all the remoaners is a resounding YES...

No I am. My point is, Leave lied extensively and Remain were reasonably accurate with their predictions.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Remain were reasonably accurate with their predictions.

bullshyte

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

They voted for control without such checks. They literally said so. I posted a picture of how they claimed so.

Remain said sure, if you do that you will incur all this additional bureaucracy, which will lead to costs, delays and may lead to job losses.

Leave said BS! Project fear.

Now the reality is exactly as what Remain predicted.

Who is "they" ? Leave voters? How can you conclusively prove that? You forget there was always a strong Eurosceptic tradition since the 1980s in the UK. Leave already had 40 - 45 percent of the voted "baked in" before the campaign even started. The only conclusive survey done after the referendum showed the top priority was sovereignty. And to be honest, most people in England, Wales and Scotland don't really care about NI - it's known as a "country over there". No-one in Westminster pays much attention to NI politics.

Wow. Ok then. You clearly misunderstand the whole situation.

The negotiations are not about the EU trying to get the UK back in.

These are negotiations that the UK want with the EU to secure a free trade agreement.

A free trade agreement for 45% of the UK's entire exports and 53% of all its imports.

For the EU its a negotiation for something that only accounts for 8% of its goods and services exports.

Tell me again how the UK has the advantage if the worse that can happen for the EU is it gets tariffs on 8% of its trade, compared to the UK where 53% of its imports will be affected.

UK is bigger than all other economies in the EU besides Germany and is the sixth biggest economy in the world. 8 percent is quite high when you consider the EU is comprised of 27 other countries. I mean clearly the UK over-performs on that aspect. We are no mickey mouse country like Estonia or Poland. The UK is also the financial services capital of Europe and has far bigger investments in up-and-coming industries like fintech, which dwarves fintech investment in continental Europe. World-class universities - again far above that of continental Europe.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

No I am. My point is, Leave lied extensively and Remain were reasonably accurate with their predictions.

Eh....forgetting those infamous Treasury estimates about UK being in a recession and losing 500 000 jobs ? How's that going?

 

[Dave]

most people in England, Wales and Scotland don't really care about NI - it's known as a "country over there".

I've never heard a person say that in 20 years. Are you just making stuff up again?

We are no mickey mouse country

"we"?

 

[buka001]

bullshyte

Remain said all this paperwork would happen. Remain said NI would be a problem.

Leave said no, it will be sorted in a day.

Ta da it all happened, leave was wrong, remain was right.

 

[buka001]

Eh....forgetting those infamous Treasury estimates about UK being in a recession and losing 500 000 jobs ? How's that going?

Has Brexit happened? Nope lets see where we are in Dec 2021.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Remain said all this paperwork would happen. Remain said NI would be a problem.

Leave said no, it will be sorted in a day.

Ta da it all happened, leave was wrong, remain was right.

It would have been sorted in a day, in a hard brexit scenario, remoaners did not allow that, remoaners don't get to claim victory at their self-fulfilling prophecy, and neither do you

 

[buka001]

Who is "they" ? Leave voters? How can you conclusively prove that? You forget there was always a strong Eurosceptic tradition since the 1980s in the UK. Leave already had 40 - 45 percent of the voted "baked in" before the campaign even started. The only conclusive survey done after the referendum showed the top priority was sovereignty. And to be honest, most people in England, Wales and Scotland don't really care about NI - it's known as a "country over there". No-one in Westminster pays much attention to NI politics.



UK is bigger than all other economies in the EU besides Germany and is the sixth biggest economy in the world. 8 percent is quite high when you consider the EU is comprised of 27 other countries. I mean clearly the UK over-performs on that aspect. We are no mickey mouse country like Estonia or Poland. The UK is also the financial services capital of Europe and has far bigger investments in up-and-coming industries like fintech, which dwarves fintech investment in continental Europe. World-class universities - again far above that of continental Europe.

Yes, but the negotiations are not with Britain and Estonia.

The negotiation is between Britain and the combined GDP and trade balance that it has.

That is the point. So you have to look at it on that basis.

Has it occured to you that perhaps the strength of Britains economy was inextricably linked to the trade it had and the way it conducts business for 50% of its exports and imports?

That all changes. How will it change?

Lol WTF BS is that about the other country, RE NI? You really haven't lived here have you??

 

[buka001]

It would have been sorted in a day, in a hard brexit scenario, remoaners did not allow that, remoaners don't get to claim victory at their self-fulfilling prophecy, and neither do you

Of course trade negotiations have historically been arranged in a day ... those damned remoaners.

Remind me how long it has taken for Japans trade agreement with the EU to be negotiated?

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

I've never heard a person say that in 20 years. Are you just making stuff up again?



"we"?

So why were the left-wing commentariat so up in arms when TMay went tnto coalition with the DUP? It's like they only "discovered" the DUP policies after they were given prominence. Well let's see why NI politics isn't of much interest:

1) One party that wins seats in NI doesn't even take up its seats in Westminster
2) Conservatives and Labour never win seats there

etc. etc.

How a Small Northern Ireland Party Became a U.K. Powerbroker

The unexpected rise of the DUP

www.theatlantic.com

The DUP, like Northern Ireland as a whole, has been largely out of sight and out of mind in Britain as long as the province remained peaceful. The first reports that May might invite the DUP to talks to form a government prompted a flurry of internet searches in Britain; the party became the most frequently looked up in the U.K. after the election, according to Google Trends. The DUP’s website crashed due to the demand.

British news organizations rushed out explainer articles to introduce the party to their readers; at least one journalist mistakenly referred to them as “Ulster Unionists”—a rival party.

Jon Tonge, a professor of politics at the University of Liverpool who co-authored a book on the DUP, suddenly found his expertise in demand. “No one really knew or cared about the DUP. But on election night as the arithmetic began to stack up, suddenly the DUP were the only people who could get the Conservatives over the line and everything changed,” said Tonge, who has been doing continual interviews since.

 

[buka001]

So why were the left-wing commentariat so up in arms when TMay went tnto coalition with the DUP? It's like they only "discovered" the DUP policies after they were given prominence. Well let's see why NI politics isn't of much interest:

1) One party that wins seats in NI doesn't even take up its seats in Westminster
2) Conservatives and Labour never win seats there

etc. etc.

The IRA says Hi.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Of course trade negotiations have historically been arranged in a day ... those damned remoaners.

Remind me how long it has taken for Japans trade agreement with the EU to be negotiated?

operative phrase: "with the EU"

you really don't get the point of brexit do you? nobody is stupid enough to negotiate like an EU-monolith when you have any interest in your own country's future

 

[Dave]

So why were the left-wing commentariat so up in arms when TMay went tnto coalition with the DUP? It's like they only "discovered" the DUP policies after they were given prominence. Well let's see why NI politics isn't of much interest:

1) One party that wins seats in NI doesn't even take up its seats in Westminster
2) Conservatives and Labour never win seats there

etc. etc.

How a Small Northern Ireland Party Became a U.K. Powerbroker

The unexpected rise of the DUP

www.theatlantic.com

I can't find reference to your quote "it's known as a "country over there"." anywhere in the link, could you help me locate it?





And you still haven't explained what you mean by "we"...

 

[buka001]

operative phrase: "with the EU"

you really don't get the point of brexit do you? nobody is stupid enough to negotiate like an EU-monolith when you have any interest in your own country's future

No. People who voted for Brexit, did not know what they voted for.

Did they vote for price inflation and food shortages?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1227229395275960321

 

[C4Cat]

india has more than a billion people, yet uk ranks above it and theyre not to far off the eu.

do you know what you are talking about

Yes, I know I'm talking about trade negotions between the EU and the UK. India doesn't feature in that and neither does whatever 'ranking' you are referring to. This is about negotiating strength between two parties and population size makes a difference. The trade that happens within the EU dwarfs the trade that will happen between the UK and the EU many times over.

If it's rankings you are interested in perhaps you should have a look at the world's largest economies

https://www.thebalance.com/world-s-largest-economy-3306044

 

[rietrot]

No. People who voted for Brexit, did not know what they voted for.

O geez, not this nonsense again.

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

That was what they voted for. That was the question. There is no conditions attached.

 

[buka001]

O geez, not this nonsense again.

That was what they voted for. That was the question. There is no conditions attached.

And leave said they would leave with all the rainbow farting unicorns you could muster.