The Brexit Thread

OrbitalDawn

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Still better than a Commie, terrorist sympathiser who would rather put the interests of the rest of the world ahead of his own country and people. Admit it, we really dodged a bullet with that one.
You don't have to like Corbyn (don't think anyone on here does) to think that's an absurd description of him.

The Voice said:
Just because people apply in droves doesn't guarantee they'll all get in. And point systems at least mean that the governments get to approve of who they're letting in through the front door. The system focuses on quality, not quantity.

It may not have reduced how many people are migrating to Canada, Australia or New Zealand, but I can almost guarantee those applying are not fruit pickers.
And yet, all those governments let in large amounts every year because the economy needs it. In fact, Australia recently introduced a new visa with a pathway to permanent residence for low-skilled, non-English speaking workers, because the demand can't be met in Australia.


Same as the UK government were able to reduce EU and no-EU immigration (including low-skilled) drastically but chose not to.
 

Dave

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Still better than a Commie, terrorist sympathiser who would rather put the interests of the rest of the world ahead of his own country and people. Admit it, we really dodged a bullet with that one.
He's not a commie, but yes, he'd have been a terrible PM.

Problem is, Corbyn v Johnson is like being asked do you want to be shot in the left or right foot.
 

The Voice

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He's not a commie, but yes, he'd have been a terrible PM.

Problem is, Corbyn v Johnson is like being asked do you want to be shot in the left or right foot.
Hillary vs Trump 2.0?

I know he's not a real commie, but Komrade Korbyn always had a nice ring to it, and does the rounds quite often around here, so he may as well just switch from socialism already and get it over with! :D
 

ToxicBunny

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You should watch yourself about who you are calling an idiot. He got into Oxford, one of top two universities in the UK. Idiots don't get into Oxford.

Edit: And unlike many politicians in the UK he didn't study PPE. He studied Classics, which again shows high levels of intelligence.
Clearly they do... Boris is a blithering bloody idiot, he proves it whenever he opens his mouth.
 

Chris_the_Brit

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Britain is booming – despite Brexit

After the vote for Brexit, it was often said that our departure from the EU was most likely to harm the very people who voted for it: the industrial workers of the Midlands and North. Didn’t they know that a vote for Brexit would, in itself, lead to 500,000 more job losses? Couldn’t they see that Nissan was bound to wind down its operations in Sunderland and move business to mainland Europe?

Almost four years on, it’s safe to say that most of the economic doom-mongering was nonsense. This week’s figures on jobs and earnings show that, since the referendum, employment is up by one million — and it is rising still. Unemployment in the UK is at its lowest since 1974. Unemployment in Wales is at its lowest since records began. Leaked internal reports from Nissan have revealed that, if the current round of Brexit talks fail, it could move production of Micras from France to Sunderland, aiming to capture a bigger share of the UK market.

This week’s figures also explain why Jeremy Corbyn failed to gain any traction with his idea of an exploited ‘zero hours Britain’ suffering at the bottom of a ‘widening gap between rich and poor’. It simply isn’t true that low-paid workers have fared worse than others. At the lower end of the income scale, earnings are growing faster than average — pushing income inequality towards a 30-year low. Welfare reform has helped move more people into work.
 

ToxicBunny

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Is it just me, and I’m really really not trying to moan about everything, honestly I’m not.... but if Britain is booming and it hasn’t left the EU yet, why the need to leave at all?

Serious question.
Cos self determination and all that.
 

The Voice

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Is it just me, and I’m really really not trying to moan about everything, honestly I’m not.... but if Britain is booming and it hasn’t left the EU yet, why the need to leave at all?

Serious question.
So it can super, duper boom? Times infinity?
 

Chris_the_Brit

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Is it just me, and I’m really really not trying to moan about everything, honestly I’m not.... but if Britain is booming and it hasn’t left the EU yet, why the need to leave at all?

Serious question.
Brexit was much more than simple economics -- a grave error by the Remain campaign.

'Control your own destiny' is a much more powerful message than some dry message about the UK potentially losing a percentage of GDP.
 

Chris_the_Brit

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EU slammed by academics for lying about Brexit graph

The EU’s attempt to row back from offering a Canada Style FTA backfired last night as senior academics slammed a new “horribly misleading” and “indefensible” graph from the Commission. The EU tried arguing the UK could not have a normal FTA because it does too much trade with the EU. As a result, they’re demanding we accept a subservient rule-taking relationship…

Unfortunately for the EU, the graphic they used to make their point massively distorts the data – showing artificially small bubbles representing the amount of EU trade with countries that are further afield. The Japanese bubble (€117.1 billion in 2018), for example, should be around one quarter the size of the UK’s (€516.6 billion in the same year). Instead, the Commission shrunk it to just one-sixteenth the size. That’s before the Japan-EU FTA came into effect…

David Spiegelhalter, professor of the public understanding of risk at Cambridge University, told Politico that the EU’s graph was “indefensible“, went against “standard graphical practice“, and was “the biggest mistake to make.” While a professor of applied statistics at the OU called the graph “horribly misleading.”

A senior Tory source ridiculed the EU’s graphic, telling Guido “The EU appear to have made a massive balls up. Let’s hope they are as good at negotiating as they are at PowerPoint.” The Government is sticking to its line – the EU can take a Canada deal or it’s Australia…


Graph in question:

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Spizz

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Brexit was much more than simple economics -- a grave error by the Remain campaign.

'Control your own destiny' is a much more powerful message than some dry message about the UK potentially losing a percentage of GDP.
Fair enough, appealing to the emotions rather than the actual reality.

It seems to me it came down to the spin doctors, and Cummings is a clever man, make no mistake.
 

C4Cat

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You can't make this **** up.

Remember this:
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Well now, a leading Brexiteer has this to say:
Iain Duncan-Smith is one of the leading pro-Brexit voices who now claims that the negotiating team are the wrong ones to secure satisfactory deals with the EU and US.

He told BBC Radio 5 Live: "I think there are problems ahead for the UK.

"One of them is the quality of the people now working on this. If you haven't negotiated for 40 years you need to reach out to all those people that are involved in negotiations, really good transactional lawyers that exist in the City of London. Proper trade economists. We've got very good ones at the moment but we need to bring them in from outside."
"We are up against the EU and the EU has been negotiating trade deals for 40 years. So we need to make sure we draw upon the talents of anybody that has skills in this area".

He added the "biggest area of weakness is in the transactional lawyers section which is where the city scores over everybody else but where we in the civil service don't have very good people".

He continued: "There are good people in the civil service but some of the very very very specific skills may need to be farmed for outside."
I guess people want experts back, who would've thought :rolleyes:
 
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