The Brexit Thread

C4Cat

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At least all those people who said they loved the EU were honest.
Yep. Not sure that when the Brexiteers said "If you don't like it, then leave", that they were expecting such a big response.
 

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Yep. Not sure that when the Brexiteers said "If you don't like it, then leave", that they were expecting such a big response.
Will be interesting to see what happens when Brexit is finally completed and all those expats could possibly be forced to return to the UK.
 

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There is currently no agreement in place that guarantees their ability to stay in the EU once we shut the borders here.
An agreement isn't needed, though - there just needs to be a visa regimen in place for British nationals in whichever country they want to stay in.
 

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An agreement isn't needed, though - there just needs to be a visa regimen in place for British nationals in whichever country they want to stay in.
Indeed, similar to what the UK is currently doing for EU nationals. It's up to the EU to reciprocate now.
 

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Indeed, similar to what the UK is currently doing for EU nationals. It's up to the EU to reciprocate now.
Nah, that already exists. The withdrawal agreement conditions apply to anyone there before 31 Dec 2020.

The question is about the people who want to go in either direction from 2021 onwards.
 

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There is currently no agreement in place that guarantees their ability to stay in the EU once we shut the borders here.
Ok sure, but more than half of these people are emigrating, they have applied for citizenship in the EU countries. They aren't going to be living in the EU as UK citizens.
The study also shows a 500% increase in those who made the move and then took up citizenship in an EU state. Germany saw a 2,000% rise, with 31,600 Britons naturalising there since the referendum.
...found a “seismic shift” in the number of UK citizens already living abroad who had decided to go a step further by obtaining EU member state passports since 2016, showing how Britain’s vote to leave the EU pushed many individuals into long-term decisions
In the four years since the Brexit referendum, 31,600 Brits have been granted dual British/German citizenship: 2019 saw 14,600 naturalisations compared to 622 in 2015.

About half of all British citizens living in Germany will have dual UK/German nationality by the end of 2020, the report says.
 

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Ok sure, but more than half of these people are emigrating, they have applied for citizenship in the EU countries. They aren't going to be living in the EU as UK citizens.
Most of those appear to have gone via Ireland as it appears to be the easiest/quickest route back into the EU for Brits.
 

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The damaging consequences of his choices were threatening to capsize EU-UK trade talks. Mr Johnson’s solution was to go back on the deal he had negotiated. The impression is that Mr Johnson’s words are not worth the paper they are written on. If this was allowed there could be no confidence that the UK would stick to its side of the bargain in any trade arrangement. A Britain which reneges on international agreements can hardly lecture rogue states when they do the same.
He has sought to manufacture a crisis by suggesting he could rip up agreed texts if he didn’t get what he wanted by mid-October. This appears naive and irresponsible. Mr Johnson’s problem is that while boasting of ending years of “vassalage” by Brussels, he agreed to constrain the UK’s sovereignty in the withdrawal treaty.
 

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So the deal that was oven baked ready in 2016, that was negotiated by May, then was re-negotiated by Boris and voted in to parliament by a tory majority, is now not ready?

The pandemic exposed much of the house of cards on which the Brexit fantasy was built upon.

Boris is doing a fantastic job at exposing the BS that is Brexit.

 

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So the deal that was oven baked ready in 2016, that was negotiated by May, then was re-negotiated by Boris and voted in to parliament by a tory majority, is now not ready?

The pandemic exposed much of the house of cards on which the Brexit fantasy was built upon.

Boris is doing a fantastic job at exposing the BS that is Brexit.

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The abject incompetence of Boris and his Tory cohorts is abhorrent.

Yet, people fell for the fantasy, voting him in stern approval of his deal, which he negotiated, which he put to Parliament, which his party voted in, which ensured any detractors from the vote approval were kicked out.

In his letter to Corbyn, he proclaimed it was a great deal, which he negotiated.

Now he claims its not workable. What a joke.

I always said when the reality of Brexit hit, things would come out.

 
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