The Brexit Thread

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Brexit is over and done for, people in Britain (especially Brexiters) need to come down to reality and realise the EU owes the UK no favours, we are now a Third Country in terms of EU rules, this was said over and over and over since 2014 (and dismissed as Project Fear by Leavers) and it’s about time people stopped thinking the UK is some sort of special case that deserves rule bending from the EU. You got your Brexit, now learn to live with it.

The biggest issue is this "You got your Brexit, now learn to live with it" because it's not my Brexit, it's the UK's Brexit, and everyone in the UK is affected by it. Everyone needs to accept and respect the democratic process that happened twice, and push forward to give the UK the best outcome it can.

What do you want though? Realistically, its not like the UK will rejoin the EU again for many many years to come, what's the point in being negetive about it all the time? Do you not want the UK to show the EU and the world they succeeded in Brexit? Do you not want the UK to be a powerhouse, a trade centre, a country people around the world are jealous of? Or is it more important for Brexit to fail so that you can feel vindicated and hold onto a dream that the UK may join the EU again only if Brexit fails? For a person that wanted to lecture me on British citizenship, birth rights and having opinions, I was hoping it's because you are pro-British and have a loyalty to the UK, or am I wrong about you and you merely jumped on your horse and thought you could shut down the conversation by pulling "rank" and the only reason you are in UK is because it better than SA?

As a side note, I don't see many remainers criticising the UKs vaccine rollout because even though some news outlets (yes, those anti-Brexit ones) have said Brexit had nothing to do with the success of the vaccine rollout, everyone knows not being tied to the EU has proved to be good for the UK by having free reign in how and where to procure vaccines. Even the EU's lies, the bullying and demanding, the unethical behavior of trying to blame and punish the UK for their own vaccine failure, to which they backtracked and looked like total *****, the remainers keep quiet, not a peep about this, like ostriches burying their head in the sand. Yet, these same remainers happily roll up their sleeve to get a jab all while mumbling about Bojo and Brexit. It's very hypocritical of them to be honest.
 

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London, at the heart of the UK’s service sector economy, may lose up to £9.5bn in economic output a year from Brexit.

And it could be worse if a post-Brexit deal on financial services doesn’t eventuate, research out this morning finds.

Financial services, which was carved out from the post-Brexit trade deal between the UK and the EU, may account for more than £2bn in lost GDP per year.
 

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Which is why I don't often if ever post articles from The Guardian, The Independent, The Mirror which love to bend to the left and make stuff up to suit their pro-EU anti-Brexit narrative.



I have realized all the politicians including the EU are liars a long time ago. Fortunately as the weeks have passed, the EU have done a splendid job in showing the world the lying, petty, childish, bullies they are, yet denial is strong in the pro-EU camp regarding this.

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Your link pretty much backs my previous post. It doesn't answer the question why the EU needed to send a communication two weeks after Brexit explaining the regulations regarding shell fish will be permanent, unless of course there is some truth where the UK government has said they were given assurances the regulations would be changed come April and the EU have back-tracked on these assurances.

Just because the EU hasn't commented on these statements doesn't mean the UK government is lying, but it seems that some people in UK would rather want the UK to be the ones lying at the expense of people's jobs so that they can say "I told you so".

What is this crap “U.K. lying” or “EU lying” ?

People lie. Countries don’t lie. People in countries lie. You are trying paint entire populations with same “liar” brush ?

Or is that hard for you to admit that this monumental cockup has occurred on Boris Johnson’s watch ? HIS govt signed on the dotted line. They knew exactly what the deal was and what the EU rules regarding trade with non-EU countries are. After all, the U.K. helped draft these very regulations and always had veto power to block them.
 

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What is this crap “U.K. lying” or “EU lying” ?

People lie. Countries don’t lie. People in countries lie. You are trying paint entire populations with same “liar” brush ?

Or is that hard for you to admit that this monumental cockup has occurred on Boris Johnson’s watch ? HIS govt signed on the dotted line. They knew exactly what the deal was and what the EU rules regarding trade with non-EU countries are. After all, the U.K. helped draft these very regulations and always had veto power to block them.

When you speak about a collective, then you use the collective name. I bet you will find hundreds of posts on myBB where people have said the ANC lie or the ANC are corrupt, and plenty of articles in the recent news referencing the NHS have done this and that. It's a simple construct of language that it would now seem a difficult one for some to comprehend.

So in the same vein, is it so hard for you to acknowledge the EU are a bunch of unethical lying bullies just as the last few weeks has shown the world. Who in their right mind would want to associate themselves with such a vile organization is beyond me, but I suppose it says more about the person than it does about the EU.
 

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What is this crap “U.K. lying” or “EU lying” ?

People lie. Countries don’t lie. People in countries lie. You are trying paint entire populations with same “liar” brush ?

Or is that hard for you to admit that this monumental cockup has occurred on Boris Johnson’s watch ? HIS govt signed on the dotted line. They knew exactly what the deal was and what the EU rules regarding trade with non-EU countries are. After all, the U.K. helped draft these very regulations and always had veto power to block them.
I don't think anyone was ever going to be overly chuffed with the agreement we got. But I think the fact that it was signed in the 11th hour says a lot, because at that stage it was either a limp agreement or no deal at all. And things would've been infinitely worse with the latter. That's something both sides (Leave and Remain) can actually agree on.

But, after 4 years of both sides (UK and EU) playing hardball like petulant children, at least we still have some semblance of a softer trade agreement to work with. And, guaranteed, as time goes on, there WILL be amendments to it, and it can surely only improve.
 

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This happened pretty quickly.

Amsterdam surpassed London as Europe’s largest share trading centre last month as the Netherlands scooped up business lost by the UK since Brexit.

An average €9.2bn shares a day were traded on Euronext Amsterdam and the Dutch arms of CBOE Europe and Turquoise in January, a more than fourfold increase from December. The surge came as volumes in London fell sharply to €8.6bn, dislodging the UK from its historic position as the main hub for the European market, according to data from CBOE Europe.

The shift was prompted by a ban on EU-based financial institutions trading in London because Brussels has not recognised UK exchanges and trading venues as having the same supervisory status as its own.

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This happened pretty quickly.



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I read this elsewhere, didn't seem to be a surprise though, it was a known change that was to happen as EU financial institutions aren't allowed to trade on London's exchange. Even though the numbers seem big, they estimated the impact is around £5m loss in tax per annum. It's relatively small compared the total share trade of London though.

What's more concerning is the news of US "equivalence" where EU banks can use US clearing houses and deal with Wall Street instead of London.

You're always seem to be on late, unless you aren't in SA or UK?
 

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You got your Brexit, now learn to live with it" because it's not my Brexit

You is not “you”, read the statement in full, it applies to all leavers. They don’t have the right now to criticise the Brexit they got, they wanted Brexit, they got it. Now they need to make it work.


What do you want though?

Ideally a deal negotiated that is similar to what Norway or Switzerland has, a deal pushed from before the referendum by Farage, Johnson, Davies, Hannan, Grayling, Elliot, Banks...

Or membership of EFTA or the EEA.

Sovereignty along with proper unrestricted access to the SM, like Norway or Iceland.
 

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You is not “you”, read the statement in full, it applies to all leavers. They don’t have the right now to criticise the Brexit they got, they wanted Brexit, they got it. Now they need to make it work.

This is my point though, "they" is not the leavers, its the UK that needs to make it work which includes everyone who works and lives here. Ultimately it should be "we need to make it work" regardless if you voted to remain or leave, because if Brexit fails, we (the entire UK) feel the consequences, and if Brexit is a success, we (the entire UK) all reap the benefits.
 

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This is my point though, "they" is not the leavers, its the UK that needs to make it work which includes everyone who works and lives here. Ultimately it should be "we need to make it work" regardless if you voted to remain or leave, because if Brexit fails, we (the entire UK) feel the consequences, and if Brexit is a success, we (the entire UK) all reap the benefits.

Maybe a lot of people who saw the dangers of the specific Brexit the Tory leavers and their supporters have now got was always going to damage the UK (but were always shouted down as Project Fear), it’s not their job to now resolve those issues.

It’s the Conservatives, their funders and the further right wing (like Farage and his hangers-on) who must now show it works or are destroyed as a political force when the average voter turns on them.
 

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About 1,000 EU finance firms are eyeing up opening offices in the UK for the first time, according to financial consultancy Bovill.

A Freedom of Information (FOI) request by the firm found that 1,500 money managers, payment firms and insurers have applied for permission to continue operating in the UK after Brexit.

Around two-thirds had no prior physical operations in Britain, it said.

It suggests London "is set to remain a key global financial centre", it added.

 

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When a Frenchman sides with the UK, you know the EU are just being petty and childish again just like when the had their tantrums and wanted to blame the UK for the vaccine rollout failure. Every week that passes, all the things people said about the EU keep being reaffirmed, must be hard for the remainers to keep seeing the true colours of the EU being shown for who they are.


It seems your friend the Frenchman didn't actually know what he was on about.

Just because the EU hasn't commented on these statements doesn't mean the UK government is lying

But the fact the UK government was lying was true, without any input from anyone.


UK admits EU's ban on shellfish exports was 'correct' despite complaints​


The UK government has privately accepted the EU’s ban on British shellfish exports is justified, despite publicly declaring otherwise.

Environment secretary George Eustice this week wrote to the EU Commissioner for food safety Stella Kyriakides to say that the ban – which applies to oysters, mussels, scallops, cockles and clams – was “legally wrong” and “unjustified”.

However, Politics Home reports that the Shellfish Association of Great Britain were told privately by Eustice’s department that the ban was correct.

A letter from the lobby group to its members said: “All along [the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs] have told us that they believe the trade in class B animals is legal and that the regulation supports this. They have now changed this position.

“They now say that they believe on balance that the EU view, that the trade is not legal, is in fact correct. This is in complete contrast to everything they have told us so far”.
 

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You couldn’t make it up...

Avid Brexiteer now wants compensation for the problems Brexit has caused his company :oops:.

Why didn’t anyone come out and warn about the problems and disruption that Brexit would cause?

Pro-Brexit salmon smoker Lance Forman now wants government compensation for Brexit-related costs​

Lance Forman, a former Brexit Party member of the European Parliament, said that the UK government should compensate the seafood industry for Brexit-related disruption.

Lance Forman, a leading Brexit proponent and the owner of London-based salmon smoker H Forman & Sons, is calling for the UK government to compensate businesses damaged by disruption linked to his country's departure from the European Union.

UK seafood businesses faced a completely upended logistics landscape on Jan. 1, the official departure date. The chaos led to hefty losses from severe shipping delays and lost orders as companies struggled to get paperwork in order.
 

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That feeling when Denmark and Austria sign a deal with Israel because they're PO'd at the slow EU vaccine rollout.

 

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That feeling when Denmark and Austria sign a deal with Israel because they're PO'd at the slow EU vaccine rollout.


Oh dear, I don’t think you understand the workings of the EU.

EU countries hold primary responsibility for organising and delivering health services and medical care in their own country.

Whilst the EU may assist (for example in bulk buying medication) there is nothing stopping each country from following their own policies or procedures, in fact, its the primary method of operation.
 

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Oh dear, I don’t think you understand the workings of the EU.

EU countries hold primary responsibility for organising and delivering health services and medical care in their own country.

Whilst the EU may assist (for example in bulk buying medication) there is nothing stopping each country from following their own policies or procedures, in fact, its the primary method of operation.
Apparently I don't. Euronews doesn't. Austrian government doesn't. Danish government doesn't.

Since that was the reason for the partnership with Israel.

Whilst the EU may assist (for example in bulk buying medication)
Literally the part that was pissing off member states lmao.

Try harder Dave.
 

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Literally the part that was pissing off member states lmao.

Member states are quite within their rights to negotiate outside of the EU collective bargaining process if they want for medical services, just like Austria and Denmark are doing now. They could have done this months ago if they wanted to.

Funnily enough, it’s even written on the EU’s very own website.

EU countries hold primary responsibility for organising and delivering health services and medical care. EU health policy therefore serves to complement national policies, and to ensure health protection in all EU policies.
EU policies and actions in public health aim to:
  • Protect and improve the health of EU citizens
  • Support the modernisation of health infrastructure
  • Improve the efficiency of Europe's health systems.
Strategic health issues are discussed by representatives of national authorities and the European Commission in a senior-level working group on public health. EU institutions, countries, regional and local authorities, and other interest groups contribute to the implementation of the EU's health strategy.

European Commission's role​

The European Commission's Directorate for Health and Food Safety (DG SANTE) supports the efforts of EU countries to protect and improve the health of their citizens and to ensure the accessibility, effectiveness and resilience of their health systems.

 
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