The Brexit Thread

[C4Cat]

Oliver Cawthorne, is that you?

I'm shocked that @AdrianH is a plagiarist. Utterly shocked!

 

[AdrianH]

I'm shocked that @AdrianH is a plagiarist. Utterly shocked!

Can say I am not shocked and surprised you would think that. It's clearly apparent the post was a reply to the article and not mine. Guess some people need to be spoonfed the basics.

Either way, shows the article to be emotional drivel, written by an anti-British whiner and moaner. Makes sense why you would subscribe to an article like that hey.
Unfortunately it is only making you look foolish and desperate posting nonsense like that.

 

[Dave]

To cross from UK to France was initially a problem but most of the issues have been ironed out and doesn't take much longer than it did previously, at most he has waited was two hours back in January. I asked him if about the empty trucks leaving UK for EU and he said its happening, but he hasn't experienced it much himself. Only a single return trip to EU for him had a truck at 60%, rest were fully laden.

It looks like your anecdotal evidence hasn’t held true now the actual statistics are out.

UK exports to European Union drop 40% in January

Official figures show a sharp drop in trade in goods with the EU as the Brexit transition period ended.

www.bbc.co.uk

UK goods exports to the European Union fell 40.7% in January, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS), while imports tumbled 28.8%.

The figures show the biggest drop since records began in 1997

 

[AdrianH]

It looks like your anecdotal evidence hasn’t held true now the actual statistics are out.

UK exports to European Union drop 40% in January

Official figures show a sharp drop in trade in goods with the EU as the Brexit transition period ended.

www.bbc.co.uk

UK goods exports to the European Union fell 40.7% in January, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS), while imports tumbled 28.8%.

The figures show the biggest drop since records began in 1997

Evidence?

I told a story from what he told me in hospital. Just because his experience was different from the stats, doesn't make it untrue.

But from the same article which backs up what my hospital mate said about it was initially a problem.

This data does not reflect the overall EU-UK trading relationship post Brexit and, thanks to the hard work of hauliers and traders, overall freight volumes between the UK and the EU have been back to their normal levels since the start of February.

 

[Dave]

Evidence?

I said “anecdotal evidence” ie

Anecdotal evidence is evidence from anecdotes: evidence collected in a casual or informal manner and relying heavily or entirely on personal testimony.

I told a story from what he told me in hospital. Just because his experience was different from the stats, doesn't make it untrue.

The story is the anecdotal evidence and the fact that story differs completely from the official stats is what makes it untrue ,

 

[AdrianH]

I said “anecdotal evidence” ie

The story is the anecdotal evidence and the fact that story differs completely from the official stats is what makes it untrue ,

Check my further reply, the article basically backsup what he said.

 

[C4Cat]

Can say I am not shocked and surprised you would think that. It's clearly apparent the post was a reply to the article and not mine. Guess some people need to be spoonfed the basics.

If you don't give credit to the person who wrote that then it's theft and makes you a plagiarist. It may be 'clearly apparent the post was a reply to the article and not mine' (not sure how) but you passed it off as your own. You sir, are a Liar.

Either way, shows the article to be emotional drivel, written by an anti-British whiner and moaner. Makes sense why you would subscribe to an article like that hey.
Unfortunately it is only making you look foolish and desperate posting nonsense like that.

so anyone with an opinion different from yours is a whiner, a moaner, foolish and desperate... Got it...

 

[Dave]

Check my further reply, the article basically backsup what he said.

Nice try, but that’s just a sound bite from a “government spokesman” at the end of the article. The type of person who, if they said grass was green, you’d have to go outside and personally check.

I’d put a bit more stock in the paragraphs preceding that

However, the head of economics at the British Chambers of Commerce, Suren Thiru, said: "The significant slump in UK exports of goods to the EU, particularly compared to non-EU trade, provides an ominous indication of the damage being done to post-Brexit trade with the EU by the current border disruption.

"The practical difficulties faced by businesses on the ground go well beyond just teething problems and with disruption to UK-EU trade flows persisting, trade is likely to be a drag on UK economic growth in the first quarter of 2021."

 

[AdrianH]

If you don't give credit to the person who wrote that then it's theft and makes you a plagiarist. It may be 'clearly apparent the post was a reply to the article and not mine' (not sure how) but you passed it off as your own. You sir, are a Liar.

so anyone with an opinion different from yours is a whiner, a moaner, foolish and desperate... Got it...

Fortunately I know I never passed it off as my own, so calling me a liar means nothing, which is why the very first sentence is in past tense and in italics. The only person being deceitful is you wanting to try make it sound like I lied and "stole" their reply. Nice try, a weak one though, but again, coming off as foolish and desperate.

As for the author, yeah whiner and moaner. As for you, well I have already told you twice now.

 

[buka001]

Fortunately I know I never passed it off as my own, so calling me a liar means nothing, which is why the very first sentence is in past tense and in italics. The only person being deceitful is you wanting to try make it sound like I lied and "stole" their reply. Nice try, a weak one though, but again, coming off as foolish and desperate.

As for the author, yeah whiner and moaner. As for you, well I have already told you twice now.

To be fair, you didn't credit the author or link to a source as to where you found it. So that is actually defined as being dishonest.

You did not write it in quotations or in any way to suggest that it was not your own words.

So for a casual observer, how are we to know you did not attempt to pass it off as your own and hope that nobody noticed it?

 

[AdrianH]

To be fair, you didn't credit the author or link to a source as to where you found it. So that is actually defined as being dishonest.

You did not write it in quotations or in any way to suggest that it was not your own words.

So for a casual observer, how are we to know you did not attempt to pass it off as your own and hope that nobody noticed it?

I can agree with the last part, but saying I am a liar and dishonest is not on. As it spoke directly to the author of the article, I thought it was obvious it came from the replies of the article I quoted above the post. Being called a liar and dishonest means my intention was to deceive myBB that is was my reply which was never the case, which is why the very first sentence is past-tense and italics. Just because is should have done something differently or not according to some standard doesn't mean automatically I should be called a liar and dishonest.

 

[AdrianH]

Nice try, but that’s just a sound bite from a “government spokesman” at the end of the article. The type of person who, if they said grass was green, you’d have to go outside and personally check.

I’d put a bit more stock in the paragraphs preceding that

That further paragraph doesn't say the issues are the same as January, just they expect issues for the next while.

The guy in hospital was was giving his experience, it's his story. Saying his experience (anecdotal evidence) is untrue I feel is quite detestable, it upsets me a bit thinking you believe his experience is untrue. The fact others have had worse (or better) experience is a different situation altogether. He never spoke on behalf of anybody else, only about what he is experiencing. All questions I asked where about his experience, he didn't speak about the EU or UK.

Or do I misunderstand what you mean by his anecdotal evidence is untrue? But then I don't believe somebody telling their story is evidence. I don't go around asking questions of people's experiences and then say all answers are anecdotal evidence. If I ask you (Dave) how was your experience at NHS, you could have nothing but praise. I could then ask somebody else and they have noting but negative comments. I don't see that as evidence, I see it as experiences and opinions. What am I missing because surely experiences and opinions don't just become anecdotal evidence?

When I was in the hospital last week, across from me was a guy from Romania working for an Austrian logistics company. We got talking and he is a trucker mainly bringing goods into and out of UK. I asked him how Brexit has affected him and he said "not that much, just takes longer at customs, especially on the French side". He said it used to take anywhere up to 1 hour before Brexit to cross from France to UK, and most he has waited now is 4 hours. When I asked what was causing the extra time, he said there is extra paper work and initially it was a problem due to not know what was needed, but its all sorted now. The issue for him now is the French deliberately causing delays and disruptions even though all paper work is in order, basically just "acting like assholes, sometimes refusing to speak English" is what he said.

To cross from UK to France was initially a problem but most of the issues have been ironed out and doesn't take much longer than it did previously, at most he has waited was two hours back in January. I asked him if about the empty trucks leaving UK for EU and he said its happening, but he hasn't experienced it much himself. Only a single return trip to EU for him had a truck at 60%, rest were fully laden.

 

[Dave]

Or do I misunderstand what you mean by his anecdotal evidence is untrue?

His story might have been true to him personally (ie him and his one truck), but his story is not true for the great majority of truckers, or for the great majority of loads that crossed the channel in January (and likely February as well).

 

[AdrianH]

His story might have been true to him personally (ie him and his one truck), but his story is not true for the great majority of truckers, or for the great majority of loads that crossed the channel in January (and likely February as well).

For sure.

BTW, NHS came back to me and said they have updated the systems and don't need anything else from me.

So not sure if you have been admitted yet, or how long you have been in UK and how long you were out of UK? They might you for proof if you get admitted some day.

 

[Dave]

For sure.

BTW, NHS came back to me and said they have updated the systems and don't need anything else from me.

Good to hear, I didn’t think you’d have a problem.

So not sure if you have been admitted yet, or how long you have been in UK and how long you were out of UK? They might you for proof if you get admitted some day.

I’ve been here far too long to have questions asked for the NHS residence rules. I’ve been with the same GP Surgery for over 20 years now .

 

[buka001]

For sure.

BTW, NHS came back to me and said they have updated the systems and don't need anything else from me.

So not sure if you have been admitted yet, or how long you have been in UK and how long you were out of UK? They might you for proof if you get admitted some day.

When did you move to the UK?

I had surgery in Jan last year and again in Feb this year and I had no queries relating to that. I have been here 6 years.

My wife visited a doctor in the first 6 months we were here and they didn't ask about residency etc?

 

[Dave]

When did you move to the UK?

I had surgery in Jan last year and again in Feb this year and I had no queries relating to that. I have been here 6 years.

My wife visited a doctor in the first 6 months we were here and they didn't ask about residency etc?

I think the Big B thing has meant they have tightened up on residency rules, they probably thought Adrian looked Polish .

 

[AdrianH]

When did you move to the UK?

I had surgery in Jan last year and again in Feb this year and I had no queries relating to that. I have been here 6 years.

My wife visited a doctor in the first 6 months we were here and they didn't ask about residency etc?

November 2019, first time I went to any doctor or hospital since arriving. The letter mentions some law from 2017, so maybe you missed it? My NHS number from birth was no langer valid, so had to get a new one. Maybe that's how they know when to check.

I think the Big B thing has meant they have tightened up on residency rules, they probably thought Adrian looked Polish .

Probably thought my SA accent was dodgy at the hospital and thought "We need to check this foreigner out!"

 

[buka001]

November 2019, first time I went to any doctor or hospital since arriving. The letter mentions some law from 2017, so maybe you missed it? My NHS number from birth was no langer valid, so had to get a new one. Maybe that's how they know when to check.


Probably thought my SA accent was dodgy at the hospital and thought "We need to check this foreigner out!"

Eish ok. Luckily dodged that one. I assumed that if you paid for the NHS surcharge on your visa, you should be fine?

Good luck though.

 

[AdrianH]

Eish ok. Luckily dodged that one. I assumed that if you paid for the NHS surcharge on your visa, you should be fine?

So did I, even more so for me being born here. Turns out being a British Citizen no longer means you are automatically eligible for free NHS care if you actually don't live in UK. I did some reading and being a British Citizen or having Visa only ticks one of the two boxes for free healthcare. You also have to prove you are actually living in UK as well.

Found this from 2017

NHS hospitals to charge overseas patients for non-urgent care

Jeremy Hunt announces law to be enacted from April that raises prospect of patients having to produce passports or other ID

www.theguardian.com