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A massive amount of the debt is pension liabilities.
So they'll shoot on their own feet if they don't pay it
EU will just clash as well and leave the British officials and staff pensionless...

errr ... if the total demanded is around 60 billion, and the liabilities they need to cover themselves if they don't pay is even one penny less than that, the UK still comes out ahead by telling the EU to f-off ... simple math ...
 
errr ... if the total demanded is around 60 billion, and the liabilities they need to cover themselves if they don't pay is even one penny less than that, the UK still comes out ahead by telling the EU to f-off ... simple math ...

If you spend your life going around f**king other people, or nations, sooner or later you get f**ked back. Hard. Such a short-sighted strategy is foolish and self-defeating, but sadly extremely common among the conservative mindset. After all, why bother to do things the right way when you can just kick the can down the road and blame liberals (or immigrants, or ...) when the crows come home to roost?
 
If you spend your life going around f**king other people, or nations, sooner or later you get f**ked back. Hard. Such a short-sighted strategy is foolish and self-defeating, but sadly extremely common among the conservative mindset. After all, why bother to do things the right way when you can just kick the can down the road and blame liberals (or immigrants, or ...) when the crows come home to roost?

Amen, and that is EXACTLY why brexit is happening in the first place, the Brits are fed up from being f**ked by the EU for around 40 years. Brexit is the roosting, next up will be the Dutch, French and German elections.
 
Amen, and that is EXACTLY why brexit is happening in the first place, the Brits are fed up from being f**ked by the EU for around 40 years. Brexit is the roosting, next up will be the Dutch, French and German elections.

Well said NarrowBandFtw, i'm looking forward to the Dutch, French and German elections, cant wait.
 
Amen, and that is EXACTLY why brexit is happening in the first place, the Brits are fed up from being f**ked by the EU for around 40 years. Brexit is the roosting, next up will be the Dutch, French and German elections.

And how exactly has Britain been f**ked by the EU?

Wait, let me guess... immigrants.

Another guess: you're going to totally ignore all of the ways Britain has benefitted from the EU (trade, cheap labour, etc.) because immigrants.
 
Another guess: you're going to totally ignore all of the ways Britain has benefitted from the EU (trade, cheap labour, etc.) because immigrants.

That would only be fair if you are totally going to ignore the fact that the UK parliament has to implement EU law regardless of what they think about it and the fact that any country can have a trade agreement with any other country without having a political union ...
 
That would only be fair if you are totally going to ignore the fact that the UK parliament has to implement EU law regardless of what they think about it and the fact that any country can have a trade agreement with any other country without having a political union ...

OH.
MY.
GOD.

The UK has to implement EU laws to be part of the EU.

THAT IS SO UNFAIR.

There has literally never been any agreement in history that requires one or both sides to compromise or accept conditions or restrictions because the overall agreement is more beneficial to both in the long term.

I mean, it's not like you have to agree to the MyBroadband rules to be allowed to use this forum. Or to agree to obey the law to not get thrown into jail. Or OH WAIT.
 
OH.
MY.
GOD.

The UK has to implement EU laws to be part of the EU
Jesus are you purposely obtuse or authentically retarded? When, in the history of mankind, enlighten me, WHEN has political union EVER been a prerequisite for a trade deal other than the EU?

Every single "mutual benefit" bullcrap argument you make relies entirely on that false premise, but then I guess I can't expect you to connect any dots unless CNN tells you to :D
 
OH.
MY.
GOD.

The UK has to implement EU laws to be part of the EU.

THAT IS SO UNFAIR.

There has literally never been any agreement in history that requires one or both sides to compromise or accept conditions or restrictions because the overall agreement is more beneficial to both in the long term.

I mean, it's not like you have to agree to the MyBroadband rules to be allowed to use this forum. Or to agree to obey the law to not get thrown into jail. Or OH WAIT.
By responding to this post, you agree that I get to have all your stuff.

You, sir, are a nincompoop.

:whistle:
 
Good article :

Congrats Britain, You Shot Your Own Dick Off


Today, General Motors sold its sad, middle-of-the-road European car brands Opel and Vauxhall to France’s sad, middle-of-the-road rival Peugeot-Citroën Group. One reason why is because GM’s Euro brands have been undesirable and unprofitable for decades. Another is Brexit.

The German Opel and British Vauxhall have been fully intertwined since 1979, and the two have been perpetual failures ever since, barring a few brief sunshine-soaked days in the ‘90s when Opel got its **** together. In the years on from then, though, the two sister brands have struggled to sell mid-price, mid-value cars to increasingly disinterested Europeans.

Now it’s all going to the hands of the French, which sell basically the exact same kinds of models as Opel/Vauxhall did, so everyone now expects job cuts and dead brands to follow. Opel/Vauxhall has been a soppy mess of an automaker, and GM has never really had any idea what to do with it.

What’s particularly sad, though, is that in spite of everything Opel/Vauxhall nearly got its act together, in the final moments before its sale. GM CEO Mary Barra said as much, as reported by the Associated Press:

GM Chair and Chief Executive Mary Barra said it was a “win” for both sides. “This was a difficult decision for General Motors but we are united in belief that it is the right one,” she told reporters in Paris.

Britain’s vote to leave the European Union, which caused a plunge in the value of the pound, weighed on the decision, she said. “Without Brexit, we would have reached the breakeven goal” at last in 2016 for the European business, Barra said.

Former British member of parliament and business secretary Sir Vincent Cable laid out just how bad things look for the Vauxhall side of this new business grouping post-Brexit in an interview on BBC Radio 4, as The Express notes:

“There is one big doubt, which is the future of the customs union, the single market arrangements. Car components have to go backwards and forwards across frontiers and they will require tariffs and checks.

“Vauxhall particularly is exposed to this, about 80 per cent of its exports are to the European Union, most of its components are.

“If you are a hard-headed car executive looking at the competitiveness of Britain versus German plants, Britain I’m afraid is going to slip down the ranking in future.” He said: “The Germans are going to lobby very hard to protect their own plants, the German government bringing pressure to bear on France — those two countries staying within the European Union — it tips the balance against the UK, regrettably.”

If either the German or UK arm is going to stick around in the wake of this sale, expect it to be the Germans.

As to official statements, Peugeot-Citroën gave “no specific reassurances” about not blowing Britain’s car brand into smithereens, as The Guardian reports.

I will point out that this is exactly what former PM David Cameron warned the UK about, specifically standing in front of a Vauxhall factory as he preached that Brexit would screw up the country in March 2016.

Well done, Britain. You shot your own dicks off.

http://jalopnik.com/congrats-britain-you-shot-your-own-dick-off-1793004891
 
Good article :
What a load of bs. a weaker pound should help them on exports. Make it cheaper for Europeans to buy. No other changes has taken effect yet. Blaming bad business on Brexit is lazy.
 
What a load of bs. a weaker pound should help them on exports. Make it cheaper for Europeans to buy. No other changes has taken effect yet. Blaming bad business on Brexit is lazy.

Yes, but since they also import 80% of the parts required for manufacture from the EU, given an unknown trade situation places risk on maintaining that venture.

It is speculation. I am taking an "I'll wait and see" approach to Brexit.

So many unknowns. Still no concrete plan from the government.
 
What a load of bs. a weaker pound should help them on exports. Make it cheaper for Europeans to buy. No other changes has taken effect yet. Blaming bad business on Brexit is lazy.
You missed the point.

Here you have a company with factories in Britain and Europe. The new owners are based in Europe and if they are going to restructure (down size) they will rather give in to pressure from a fellow EU member than to Britain when it comes to retaining jobs. Basically when push comes to shove PSA will close Vauxhall factories in Britain before Opel ones in Germany.
 
I see the unelected Lords voted for another amendment.

The Commons better vote for the unamended Brexit Bill or there will be serious public anger.
 
I see the unelected Lords voted for another amendment.

The Commons better vote for the unamended Brexit Bill or there will be serious public anger.

Proposed by Un-elected Theresa May.. Serious public anger means that she will get some sternly worded letters
 
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