The Brexit Thread

[The Voice]

Brexfast

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

So cringeworthy...

Gabby Logan 'booted Bob Geldof off stage at a corporate gig after 'cringeworthy' star ranted about Brexit and told City worker audience the public hated them'

Bob Geldof was booted off stage at a corporate gig by Gabby Logan after ranting about Brexit.

The multimillionaire told his City worker audience that the 'public hated' them and did not trust them, forcing an embarrassed Logan to cut him off.

She told the former Boomtown Rat: 'Thankyou Bob. I think we'll end it there.'

Sir Bob's bizarre performance at the Intrinsic Financial Services conference, at the Sofitel London Heathrow, even caused some furious guests to storm out.

He had been booked alongside a host of other celebrities to keep the audience entertained, with comedian Kevin Bridges, former England rugby star Lawrence Dallaglio and businesswoman and Apprentice judge Karen Brady all taking to the stage.

Alan Lazenby, a planning consultant from from Leeds, fumed on Facebook: 'Just left the Intrinsic conference after listening to Sir Bob Geldoff talk s*** about Brexit.'

Who can of course forget this image?

 

[biometrics]

Stable since we voted out, actually, and it's no longer over-inflated for a change - what we see is what it's actually worth.

Edit: Merkel's EU, on the other, is on course for disaster at the current rate.

Keep telling yourself that. Lol.

 

[JayM]

Stable since we voted out, actually, and it's no longer over-inflated for a change - what we see is what it's actually worth.

Edit: Merkel's EU, on the other, is on course for disaster at the current rate.

No, anyone with access to a currency site can see it's been anything but stable.

 

[f2wohf]

Stable since we voted out, actually, and it's no longer over-inflated for a change - what we see is what it's actually worth.

Edit: Merkel's EU, on the other, is on course for disaster at the current rate.

Your first sentence shows the strong bias you have, making your judgment expressed by the second sentence totally irrelevant as you probably have always hated EU and wish for its implosion.

That the pound is low doesn't really matter (except for manufacturing and tourism which are 25% of the activity). 75% is still subject to trade with the Eurozone.

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

Huge day tomorrow...

David Davis issues last-minute warning to Tory rebels not to sabotage Article 50 Bill amid fears Brexit could end up in courts

David Davis has warned Conservative MPs not to "tie the Prime Minister's hands" by backing amendments to the Article 50 bill this week.

The Brexit secretary told the BBC's Andrew Marr that doing so would prompt concerns among voters that Parliament intends to reverse the decision to leave the EU.

He said: "It's inconceivable to me that there wouldn't be a vote on the outcome.... We are going to do that.
"Please don't tie the Prime Minister's hands in the process of doing that for things which we expect to attain anyway."

Pressed on whether Parliament would get a meaningful vote, he replied: "What we can't have is either House of parliament reversing the decision of the British people.

Writing exclusively for the Telegraph, the Brexit Secretary also said that putting promises over leaving the EU into law creates a “greater risk of legal action".

He warns that Theresa May would be negotiating with “one hand tied behind her back” if MPs approve two changes to the law proposed by Lords.

 

[biometrics]

Do it. Do it. Do it!

 

[Arthur]

At this rate most Europeans will have left the EU before Britain does.

 

[JayM]

Huge day tomorrow...

David Davis issues last-minute warning to Tory rebels not to sabotage Article 50 Bill amid fears Brexit could end up in courts

I actually agree that May needs to appear to be able to walk away without a deal, or the deal presented by the EU is going to be extra crap to try and get it voted down in UK parliament. It's going to be bad anyway, but it needs to seem like she has a better hand to play than the pair of 2s she's got.

EU economy is doing better, UK economy doing worse, opinion polling on Scotland is at 50/50, Irish unification back on the cards, trouble in Gibraltar...the UK as we know it is finished.

 

[JayM]

At this rate most Europeans will have left the EU before Britain does.

Which country is leaving first according to your crystal ball?

 

[f2wohf]

At this rate most Europeans will have left the EU before Britain does.

Whichever scenario happens, Le Pen is ousted at the second turn.

Are you thinking of Netherlands ?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ench-against-return-franc-blow-marine-le-pen/

 

[f2wohf]

I actually agree that May needs to appear to be able to walk away without a deal, or the deal presented by the EU is going to be extra crap to try and get it voted down in UK parliament. It's going to be bad anyway, but it needs to seem like she has a better hand to play than the pair of 2s she's got.

EU economy is doing better, UK economy doing worse, opinion polling on Scotland is at 50/50, Irish unification back on the cards, trouble in Gibraltar...the UK as we know it is finished.

The deal will anyway be insanely bad.

She can't walk away either, the EU invoice will be very easily recouped through high customs duties (don't forget UK needs to import food).

They are going to suffer anyway.

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

The deal will anyway be insanely bad.

She can't walk away either, the EU invoice will be very easily recouped through high customs duties (don't forget UK needs to import food).

They are going to suffer anyway.

You do know the UK was a net contributor to the EU? To the tune of 8.5 billion pounds in 2015. The EU doesn't hold all the cards here despite what you might believe.

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

I actually agree that May needs to appear to be able to walk away without a deal, or the deal presented by the EU is going to be extra crap to try and get it voted down in UK parliament. It's going to be bad anyway, but it needs to seem like she has a better hand to play than the pair of 2s she's got.

EU economy is doing better, UK economy doing worse, opinion polling on Scotland is at 50/50, Irish unification back on the cards, trouble in Gibraltar...the UK as we know it is finished.

Did you forget about the record youth unemployment rates in Spain, Greece, Italy etc?

There is also yet another Greece banking crisis coming along soon. To be bailed out by the Germans once again...

 

[JayM]

You do know the UK was a net contributor to the EU? To the tune of 8.5 billion pounds in 2015. The EU doesn't hold all the cards here despite what you might believe.

8.5 billion is chicken feed in a $16tn+ economy. And the EU holds almost all the cards. The only bargaining chip left is the fact that there are more rest-of-EU citizens in the UK than vice versa.

 

[JayM]

Did you forget about the record youth unemployment rates in Spain, Greece, Italy etc?

There is also yet another Greece banking crisis coming along soon. To be bailed out by the Germans once again...

And those unemployed youth can move elsewhere in the EU to find work. That's the whole point of the union. When the UK's unemployment goes up at some point in the future, they won't have that luxury...

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Leaked Treasury report warns of painful 'economic shock' if Britain crashes out of the EU without a deal: Report on post-Brexit economy seen by The Independent outlines 'serious consequences' for businesses and citizens – including higher taxes and rising food prices

Theresa May’s plans to rely on World Trade Organisation tariffs in the case of a hard Brexit will cause a “major economic shock” and is worse than any other option, according to an unpublished Treasury document leaked to The Independent. Crashing out of the EU without a trade deal is the "alternative to membership with the most negative long-term impact" on the economy, it warns.

Relying on WTO tariffs would have serious consequences for companies, jobs and food prices, it states. The 36-page report uses language far stronger than that employed in the Treasury's published analysis of Brexit's long-term impact on the economy.

Opponents of a hard Brexit claimed the Treasury's view is unchanged from when the document was first drawn up, saying Parliament must be able to reject the damaging WTO option if Brexit talks ended in failure.

In the Commons on Monday, the Government will try to overturn a House of Lords amendment to the bill triggering negotiations, which calls for a meaningful parliamentary vote on the exit deal. Ms May has said that “no deal would be better than a bad deal”, meaning Britain would have to adopt WTO rules if it left the EU without an agreement.

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

Senior Leave figures want the government to do much more to publicly prepare the public for a Brexit on WTO terms. Theresa May’s speech in January arguing that “no deal is better than a bad deal” pleased Tory Leavers, but they fear not enough has been done by Downing Street to prevent continuity Remainers seizing the narrative and convincing the public that WTO terms would be a disaster. This is why over the weekend Boris Johnson, David Davis and Liam Fox all came out and made encouraging noises about the possibility of no deal.

There are three reasons why Leavers want Number 10 to do more to make the WTO case. First, the chances of a Brexit along WTO lines are much higher than the government publicly admits. While the official line is that no deal is “unlikely“, behind the scenes senior figures in Number 10 have said they put the probability at around 30%. Most Leavers think this figure is optimistic. Another government source tells Guido they believe the likelihood of a WTO Brexit is 50-50.

Second, demonstrating that WTO terms are acceptable is vital for the negotiation. If Brussels believes Britain thinks WTO rules are a disaster, the threat to walk away is not credible. Going into the negotiation without being happy to accept WTO terms is obviously the worst possible negotiating hand. A Whitehall source says: “People are being told that WTO rules would be the end of the world. We need to explain to them why it isn’t”.

Third, Leavers want to learn the lesson from Cameron’s failure to make any contingency planning for Brexit. This is seen by the government as Cameron’s worst betrayal – Leavers are determined not to repeat the mistake. This means proper preparations for a WTO Brexit, both in terms of contingency planning in Whitehall and preparing the public for that outcome. Matt Ridley’s piece in today’s Times is the sort of narrative Number 10 should be pursuing…

https://order-order.com/2017/03/13/...ust-do-more-to-prepare-public-for-wto-brexit/

 

[Dave]

https://order-order.com/2017/03/13/...ust-do-more-to-prepare-public-for-wto-brexit/

Except anyone with even half a brain already understands what a disaster WTO terms would be, unfortunately leave has far too many mental halfwits in its ranks that can't comprehend that.

 

[Xarog]

Except anyone with even half a brain already understands what a disaster WTO terms would be, unfortunately leave has far too many mental halfwits in its ranks that can't comprehend that.

You know I'm pretty sure the real motivation for this is to gain leverage in the negotiations. Realpolitik is the order of the day.