The Brexit Thread

[buka001]

When even the idiots admit they're idiots, it's good to know that people like Chris are behind them 100%.

Uh oh, The Telegraph isn't on board.

May's absurd Brexit plan sacrifices economy to stop EU migrants who won't come anyway

...5 months later...

Fkin lol...and quite predictable.


Yeah think it'll sink in eventually. Unfortunately for me the whole EU national thing doesn't distinguish between suit wearing professional and refugee wanting to score social benefits. So fully expecting to get screwed in this...as is the rest of the EU suit wearing crew judging by chatter.

Also this:

UK productivity falls to pre-crisis level




Well, that's largely built on myth anyway.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...es-show-fall-in-non-eu-arrivals-a6895341.html

EU-Japan trade agreement reached in Brussels

Reality is setting in. Cold, deep dark reality!

 

[f2wohf]

They can’t even get the wording right. Sounds promising for the negotiations !

Brexit faces potential court challenge over 'technical flaw' in way Article 50 was triggered

https://www.google.co.za/amp/www.in...ales-baroness-eluned-morgan-a7826116.html?amp

 

[f2wohf]

And the hopes of a deal without leaving the single market:

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...le-if-uk-leaves-eu-single-market-says-barnier

He countered that “a fair deal is far better than no deal” and pointed out Brexit talks were not a classic negotiation, where “no deal” meant reversion to the status quo. “In the case of Brexit, ‘no deal’ is a return to a distant past.’’

Barnier said no deal would aggravate losses for both sides, above all the British. He invoked the scenario of 19% tariffs on British beer, wine and spirits entering the continent and 12% on British lamb and fish, most of which is exported to the EU.

 

[Hosehead]

Fecking Brussels . Useless bunch of parasitic pencil munchers.

 

[f2wohf]

Fecking Brussels . Useless bunch of parasitic pencil munchers.

The UK had the choice to not get in back in the days...

You should rather say stupid UK then.

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

EU-Japan trade agreement reached in Brussels

My god. A free-trade agreement without free movement of people? Surely that is impossible! That's what Remoaners told me anyway!

And the hopes of a deal without leaving the single market:

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...le-if-uk-leaves-eu-single-market-says-barnier

Yes, we're leaving the single market. That much is clear. By the way, do you know tariffs will be put on products from the EU entering Britain if no deal is agreed? I love how you only quote the part which talks about British products being tariffed.

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

Reality is setting in. Cold, deep dark reality!

Yawn. Just because one side is spamming this thread from pro-EU left-wing sites doesn't mean anything is setting in.

Your tears are so delicious, more than a year on!

 

[buka001]

Yawn. Just because one side is spamming this thread from pro-EU left-wing sites doesn't mean anything is setting in.

Your tears are so delicious, more than a year on!

Going to save this post for prosperity sake.

 

[f2wohf]

My god. A free-trade agreement without free movement of people? Surely that is impossible! That's what Remoaners told me anyway!



Yes, we're leaving the single market. That much is clear. By the way, do you know tariffs will be put on products from the EU entering Britain if no deal is agreed? I love how you only quote the part which talks about British products being tariffed.

It’s pretty obvious it will work both ways, but has many studies have shown, it will harm much more the UK economy than the EU one.

You forget that without trade deal and financial passport, there’s basically no City left.

The negotiations with Japan took over 5 years, UK does not have 5 years.

Ps: in case you haven’t noticed yet, I’m far from a remoaner, I’m very happy that the UK leaves, they were always a pain wanting less EU. The EU will move much faster on political matters without the UK.

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

Going to save this post for prosperity sake.

You do that. I'm personally waiting for the overall shape of the negotiations. I'm really not interested in engaging with every single bad news Brexit article.

Be under no illusion that some people here decided long ago that the result of the referendum was bad and no matter what happens - even if the negotiations go well - they will always be laughing and mocking Britain because they've been conditioned to think in a certain way.

I mean did you know that that the large majority of British people want Brexit to go ahead now? You are getting a very, very skewed perception based on who posts here.

 

[Hamish McPanji]

You do that. I'm personally waiting for the overall shape of the negotiations. I'm really not interested in engaging with every single bad news Brexit article.

Be under no illusion that some people here decided long ago that the result of the referendum was bad and no matter what happens - even if the negotiations go well - they will always be laughing and mocking Britain because they've been conditioned to think in a certain way.

I mean did you know that that the large majority of British people want Brexit to go ahead now? You are getting a very, very skewed perception based on who posts here.

Do you know that a large percentage of the SA population supports the ANC. You would think no one does even 8 years back on here. And that's local.

What's your point exactly?

 

[HavocXphere]

Be under no illusion that some people here decided long ago that the result of the referendum was bad and no matter what happens - even if the negotiations go well - they will always be laughing and mocking Britain because they've been conditioned to think in a certain way.

Not quite. People are negative because they think they chances of "negotiations going well" is near zero. It's the equivalent of jumping off a cliff and hoping you can build a parachute on the way down. Of course people will say the jumping off cliff part was stupid even if there is a chance that the parachute might still materialise.

I mean did you know that that the large majority of British people want Brexit to go ahead now?

That's a 3 month old poll. Here is one from 5 days ago saying the opposite:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...um-was-held-tomorrow-poll-finds-a3577806.html

 

[f2wohf]

He’s going to tell you that polls were wrong on the Brexit poll, so this one cannot be used - even though he just used one.

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

Not quite. People are negative because they think they chances of "negotiations going well" is near zero. It's the equivalent of jumping off a cliff and hoping you can build a parachute on the way down. Of course people will say the jumping off cliff part was stupid even if there is a chance that the parachute might still materialise.

So that's perception. Negotiations have hardly even begun...people are making huge judgements based on very little info. Despite Remoaners predicting doom & gloom (and many of them seem to *want* the doom & gloom to happen so they can say 'I told you so' rather than take the adult approach and admit you lost and become pragmatic about the new environment), there are many headlines say the UK economy has been resilient - hell even the ridiculously pro-EU Financial Times said that 'UK business investment resilient despite Brexit' - https://www.ft.com/content/e1a355dc-3971-11e7-ac89-b01cc67cfeec?mhq5j=e3

That's a 3 month old poll. Here is one from 5 days ago saying the opposite:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...um-was-held-tomorrow-poll-finds-a3577806.html

My poll wasn't about the 'binary' question of whether you would like to leave or remain in the EU. It is based on asking Leave and Remain voters how they would like Brexit to proceed.

Polls like the one you described are useless because the vote happened last year. We are not re-voting to get the 'desired/correct' result. Also those same polls predicted a Remain victory before the referendum so...

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

He’s going to tell you that polls were wrong on the Brexit poll, so this one cannot be used - even though he just used one.

My poll isn't asking only Yes/No on the referendum. My point was the 69-21% who would like Brexit to go ahead. Also we just had a major election where both main parties got over 80% of the vote accepting Brexit and leaving the customs union.

The overtly pro-EU Lib Dems only have 14 MPs out of 650. Haha.

 

[Hamish McPanji]

My poll isn't asking only Yes/No on the referendum. My point was the 69-21% who would like Brexit to go ahead. Also we just had a major election where both main parties got over 80% of the vote accepting Brexit and leaving the customs union.

The overtly pro-EU Lib Dems only have 14 MPs out of 650. Haha.

I think you and Maybot are the only people who think that the election was solely about Brexit.

It's like me saying 52% of the British population voted for £350 million / week extra for the NHS? Is that true?

 

[HavocXphere]

Negotiations have hardly even begun...people are making huge judgements based on very little info.

Fair enough.

I guess I just don't see any potential upside to this for UK. In the economic sense I mean...for people valuing "sovereignty" above all else it's obviously a plus. I can see a mountain of potential economic downsides though.

Does anyone know if there are prediction markets covering this?

 

[buka001]

You do that. I'm personally waiting for the overall shape of the negotiations. I'm really not interested in engaging with every single bad news Brexit article.

Be under no illusion that some people here decided long ago that the result of the referendum was bad and no matter what happens - even if the negotiations go well - they will always be laughing and mocking Britain because they've been conditioned to think in a certain way.

I mean did you know that that the large majority of British people want Brexit to go ahead now? You are getting a very, very skewed perception based on who posts here.

Skewed perception?

I actually live in the UK. So my perception is based on what I see day to day here.

 

[buka001]

Am I correct in assuming that with this trade deal between the EU and Japan and Brexit negotiations fail such that there are 10% tarrifs, it would be cheaper for Toyota and Nissan to export straight out of Japan to the EU instead of UK? What incentive would they have to keep those factories in Sunderland etc?

 

[The Voice]

Skewed perception?

I actually live in the UK. So my perception is based on what I see day to day here.

So do I, and people here are just talking about it less and less as time goes on.

Certain groups still want to obsess over it, obviously (most notably people who don't even live here yet seem to be experts on life in the UK & EU), but the majority have just carried on with their daily lives.