The Brexit Thread

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Dave said:
Well, she didn’t even understand the concept of the customs union, so probably not all that well.

She’s been a strident harridan over Brexit without even understanding the basics.

Here’s another example, according to Dorries other EU countries are in the CU but still negotiate their own independent trade agreements :unsure:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadine_Dorries#Parliament_of_2005–2010

Employment of family members
Dorries' daughter was among the highest-earning family members employed by MPs with a salary of £40,000–45,000 as an office manager. This is despite the fact that her daughter lived 96 miles away from the office. Subsequently, her sister was taken on as senior secretary with a salary of £30,000–35,000.[136][137] Ben Glaze, a journalist with the Sunday Mirror, was threatened by Dorries on Twitter for asking questions about the MP's employment practices: "Be seen within a mile of my daughters and I will nail your balls to the floor... using your own front teeth. Do you get that?
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Classy...
 
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theratman said:
I honestly don't know how you can campaign for something that you clearly don't understand.
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Almost all the lead brexiteers initially campaigned on the basis of leaving the EU but not the SM or CU, without realising the ramifications or what would still have to be allowed to do that (like freedom of movement).
 
Looks like Labour are slowly beginning to realise public opinion is changing.

A new referendum on the UK's relationship with the EU is "an option for the future" but "not an option for today", Jeremy Corbyn has said.

The Labour leader confirmed on Sky News that his party would vote against the draft withdrawal agreement.

Mr Corbyn said Labour "couldn't stop" Brexit because it does not have enough seats in Parliament.

Asked about calls for a further referendum as demanded by some of his MPs, Mr Corbyn said: "If there was a referendum tomorrow what's it going to be on, what's the question going to be?"
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46254465


Possibly something to do this?

The analysis shows that over half of constituencies across England, Scotland and Wales would now vote to remain in the EU. Modelling of the 632 seats in England, Scotland and Wales showed that in 2016, 229 were Remain and 403 were Leave seats. Overall, 112 seats have shifted and there are now 341 seats with a majority of Remain supporters, compared to 291 that are majority Leave seats.

The research shows that Labour voters are by far the biggest group to shift, with a net number of over 1.4m Labour voters that voted Leave in the 2016 referendum switching in favour of staying in the EU.

The research shows that three out of ten Labour voters that voted leave in the referendum would now vote to stay in the EU, and that trend is set to continue.
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https://www.newstatesman.com/spotlight/devolution/2018/10/most-labour-voters-want-us-stay-eu
 
Though it looks like even some Tory MP’s are getting sick of the nonsense from Rees-Mogg and his acolytes.

“Parliament will not support no deal.”

Moderate Tories warn anti-EU 'purists' they could turn against Brexit if Theresa May's deal is torn down

Moderate Conservatives have warned they will push Britain towards tighter relations with the EU or even turn against Brexit altogether if “purists” in their party tear down Theresa May’s draft withdrawal deal.

A string of Tory MPs told The Independent that Eurosceptic colleagues who have begun a sustained push to bring down both Ms May and her Brexit plans, should not be mistaken that a no-deal exit risking the livelihoods of British people is obtainable.

The moderates say the only remaining option if Brexiteers block Ms May’s approach will mean being more closely bound to the single market or even revisiting the 2016 referendum result.

Their warning comes as the Eurosceptic wing of the Conservatives launched a coordinated campaign against the draft deal to be signed off at an EU summit next weekend, and pushed for a vote of no confidence in the prime minister.

Ms May is set to continue her media offensive defending the deal on Sunday with a live interview in the morning, but Eurosceptics have also been in force attacking it.

The pushback from Tory moderates began with pointed words from serving frontbencher Alistair Burt, who indicated that if Ms May’s plans fell, Brexiteers could not expect Remain-voting MPs to continue to go along with the result of the 2016 referendum regardless of the consequences.

He wrote on Twitter: “Be very clear. If an agreed deal on leaving between the Govt and the EU is voted down by purist Brexiteers, do not be surprised if consensus on accepting the result of the referendum by Remain-voting MPs breaks down.

“Parliament will not support no deal.”
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...arning-theresa-may-eurosceptics-a8639171.html
 
Hmm, it looks as if there might be a bit of collusion going on, the language Labour’s Shadow Brexit secretary, Keir Starmer is using is quite similar to the Conservative MP’s above.

“parliament will not just sit back and allow her to proceed with no deal”

Labour is planning to force a Commons vote within weeks that would make it impossible for Britain to crash out of the European Union without a deal, as fears grow about a disastrous hard Brexit if parliament rejects Theresa May’s agreement.

Keir Starmer, the shadow Brexit secretary, is working on plans to amend key elements of Brexit legislation that still have to pass through the Commons, in order to prevent parliament ever approving the option.

He says he has had assurances from a number of Tory MPs who say they would help push his amendments through parliament to avoid chaos. It is understood that some of them are serving Conservative ministers.

With Labour, the 10 Democratic Unionist party MPs, and upwards of 40 Tory MPs ready to vote down May’s deal, senior Labour figures are aware that they need to avoid the possibility of being blamed for rejecting a Brexit agreement that was on the table and helping to trigger chaos that could lead to “no deal”.

Starmer told the Observer that Labour would make sure parliament offered a legislative route to make “no deal” impossible. “If the prime minister’s deal is rejected – and that’s looking increasingly likely – parliament will not just sit back and allow her to proceed with no deal,” he said.

“There are plenty of Conservative MPs who have come up to me to say that they will not countenance the UK crashing out of the EU without an agreement. There is a clear majority in parliament against no deal, and Labour will work across the Commons to prevent no deal.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politic...starmer-force-amendments-block-no-deal-brexit
 
Dave said:
Looks like Labour are slowly beginning to realise public opinion is changing.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46254465


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https://www.newstatesman.com/spotlight/devolution/2018/10/most-labour-voters-want-us-stay-eu
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If it wasn’t for Corbyn, Labour would win any election now. Too many voters who aren’t core Conservatives or Labour voters dont like him. However, if May gets replaced with someone like Johnsone or Leadsom, they might just hate the new Tory leader more.

Currently Labour is polling about about 2% above Conservatives, but May is at least 10% points above Corbyn.

However polls are known to be flaky
 
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zippy said:
If it wasn’t for Corbyn, Labour would win any election now. Too many voters who aren’t core Conservatives or Labour voters dont like him. However, if May gets replaced with someone like Johnsone or Leadsom, they might just hate the new Tory leader more.

Currently Labour is polling about about 2% above Conservatives, but May is at least 10% points above Corbyn.

However polls are known to be flaky
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I’d agree, but the thought of what happened with the 2016 Referendum and Trump makes me a bit uncomfortable that something happening as mad/bad as Corbyn getting to lead a government is a nasty little feeling right at the back of my mind :sick:.
 
Something that I realized over the weekend is that May is probably not keen to hold a second referendum because if the result changed, hardcore Brexit supporters would never vote for the party again.

She would be doing the right thing for the country but it would cost the Tories a lot of votes. I imagine Corbyn is thinking along similar lines.
 
Ancalagon said:
Something that I realized over the weekend is that May is probably not keen to hold a second referendum because if the result changed, hardcore Brexit supporters would never vote for the party again.

She would be doing the right thing for the country but it would cost the Tories a lot of votes. I imagine Corbyn is thinking along similar lines.
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This, both want it I think but neither wants to be seen as the party pushing for it.
 
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