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Unhappy438 said:
Yeah in many ways it is.




If you see dangers in EU expansionism you must be pissing your pants when it comes to Russian imperialism.
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A narrow view. China is expanding its military capabilities vastly. India is a little concerned with new railway lines near its border. And the naval base agreement with Bangladesh is right up its throat.

The Chinese navy is being transformed. New aircraft carriers are almost ready. The North Koreans are developing the missiles for them. Their aircraft industry (including carrier capable aircraft) is being transformed. They have in flight refuelling, and 30 Il 76 freighters to get troops where they need to be.

They have stopped the birth restrictions, so manpower will not be a problem. China and Russia have already cooperated to force the US out of central Asia.

But yes, Russia concerns me. As well!!
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
You must be new to this whole facts thing. In the last 3 decades the EU have added 16 countries to its ranks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_state_of_the_European_Union

Russia has added only a small part of one: Crimea.

Far more wars is another laugh, Russia's number is 12:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia#Russian_Federation_(1991–present)

The UK alone has been involved in 9 in the same time period:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_Kingdom

You really wanna bet we can't find at least an additional 4 any other EU country was involved in, in the same time to surpass Russia? :ROFL:
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Oh so you're going to pretend that annexing a country is the same thing as what the EU does, well done you've reach a new level of moron.
 
Frequent visitor said:
A narrow view. China is expanding its military capabilities vastly. India is a little concerned with new railway lines near its border. And the naval base agreement with Bangladesh is right up its throat.

The Chinese navy is being transformed. New aircraft carriers are almost ready. The North Koreans are developing the missiles for them. Their aircraft industry (including carrier capable aircraft) is being transformed. They have in flight refuelling, and 30 Il 76 freighters to get troops where they need to be.

They have stopped the birth restrictions, so manpower will not be a problem. China and Russia have already cooperated to force the US out of central Asia.

But yes, Russia concerns me. As well!!
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Yeah you are right, Russia is not the only one and with the USA removing itself more and more from the world stage its only going to get worse.
 
SweetFennyAdams said:
Commonwealth countries like South Africa should be supporting BREXIT.
Less EU workers means the UK will open up vast opportunities for commonwealth citizens.
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They're perfectly happy keeping most of commonwealth nations citizens out. After brexit it'll still be much easier to work in the UK as an EU citizen than as a commonwealth one imo. Have a look at some of the member countries : http://thecommonwealth.org/member-countries
 
Dave said:
9?
Are you including wars where the UK contributed forces to a U.N. Peacekeeping force?
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You did see I provided an actual link with the list right?

porchrat said:
Got to admit Narrow, he has a point here.
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He has no point whatsoever, he's only proving that he never read my question to begin with just like Unhappy who put both feet in his mouth so fast he's probably still recovering, the exact question I posed was:
NarrowBandFtw said:
Which of the two have added the most countries to its "club" in the last 3 decades?
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I'm assuming we all know the grammatical uses of quotation marks right? That it can signify direct quotes and also intentional ambiguity / sarcasm. The EU "club" in this case being membership to the union (which in no way was always peaceful, but I digress), the Russia "club" which is an annexation of territory that they've disputed for a long time.

How it came about does not affect the question which is purely numerical, one added 16, the other added less than 1.
 
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NarrowBandFtw said:
Excellent grammar there ...

Try reading for once, just once, it'll be quite a change of pace:
https://mybroadband.co.za/forum/threads/the-brexit-thread.866714/page-174#post-22607326
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Shame, its you who didnt read. My post references imperialism (which you quoted) and you think the EU adding countries to its members list counts. I suppose you think the formation of BRICS is also imperialism by nature. Try think for once, just once, it will be quite the change of pace.
 
Quite amazing how the Daily Mail’s attitude has changed recently.

Who’d have thought they’d call the ERG “Dad’s Army” 6 months ago?


Will Dad's Army get 48 letters this week? Now 28 Tory MPs are known to have urged no confidence vote in May as Eurosceptics step up rebellion

Theresa May is facing the growing threat of a Tory no-confidence vote today as a former minister warned Brexit is 'certain to fail' while she remains party leader.

Steve Baker urged colleagues to be 'brave' and send letters to the powerful Conservative 1922 committee that would start the process of evicting the PM.

He also insisted Mrs May should consider her own position after being forced to postpone a crunch Commons Brexit vote to avoid humiliating defeat.

The brutal attack from the former Brexit minister came as the tally of MPs confirmed as having sent no-confidence letters to 1922 chair Sir Graham Brady hit 28, with Crispin Blunt adding himself to the list.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-Tory-MPs-send-no-confidence-letters-May.html
 
Unhappy438 said:
Shame, its you who didnt read. My post references imperialism (which you quoted) and you think the EU adding countries to its members list counts. I suppose you think the formation of BRICS is also imperialism by nature. Try think for once, just once, it will be quite the change of pace.
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Your post does not dictate mine, try again, try harder.
 
Unhappy438 said:
Oh it does when my conversation with frequent vistor is about which is the bigger threat and then you go and quote my post, try again, try harder.
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It does nothing of the sort, perhaps only in your own self-indulgent mind.

You may want to go back to your own magical post to see yourself mentioning both EU expansionism and Russian imperialism though, and then perhaps proceed to the straight up question of which one added more countries to their number (or "club") the past 3 decades. Say Russia again, go ahead, entertain the rest of us once more.

The very definition of EU expansionism is growing its membership, OF COURSE IT COUNTS. Nowhere have I said it is the same as annexing another nation, that's again, all you, congratulations. But then if you can't get the basic math right of which added more to their number over the last 3 decades there's little hope you'll be aware of all the other assumptions you've made in demonstrating a severe lack of comprehension.
 
Frequent visitor said:
The article makes some sensible posts, but some questionable assumptions. One of the assumptions is that people like myself, who voted to leave the EU, are motivated by dreams of glory, of Empire, of technological achievement, of a past long gone.
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That's not the point the piece makes, imo. That's the nuance I was talking about. It's arguing that many Brexiteers' idea of what pre-EU sovereignty means is coloured by the context of a British imperial era, not present day geopolitical realities. British 'sovereignty' meant getting whatever foreign and trade policy you want across many parts of the world, because of the imperial project. That's no longer the case.

Doesn't necessarily apply to you, of course.
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
It's on like Donkey Kong...well done to all the patriotic MPs :cool:. Took a bit longer than expected but here we are.

Now...are no confidence votes by secret ballot I wonder...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1072591327676768256

https://twitter.com/x/status/1072584017285931011

https://twitter.com/x/status/1072592735536906242
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For those of us using the standard theme with the (still) broken twitter support, would you mind screenshotting the tweets as well? It would make it a lot easier browsing on phone.

And I think the no confidence vote is a standard parliamentary vote iirc.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
It does nothing of the sort, perhaps only in your own self-indulgent mind.

You may want to go back to your own magical post to see yourself mentioning both EU expansionism and Russian imperialism though, and then perhaps proceed to the straight up question of which one added more countries to their number (or "club") the past 3 decades. Say Russia again, go ahead, entertain the rest of us once more.

The very definition of EU expansionism is growing its membership, OF COURSE IT COUNTS. Nowhere have I said it is the same as annexing another nation, that's again, all you, congratulations. But then if you can't get the basic math right of which added more to their number over the last 3 decades there's little hope you'll be aware of all the other assumptions you've made in demonstrating a severe lack of comprehension.
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Well done, you've counted 10 apples and three pears and declared the one has 7 more apples. If your post wasn't an attempt to show the EU is worse than Russia then why did you comment on my post and ask me to answer your dumb question? And two, if it is to try and show the EU is worse than Russia then why would you forbid the manner in which a country is added? Either way you fail and are once again throwing eggs in your face.
 
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