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Zerohedge? really? You turning into a mini-Xarog?
You've never seen me quote Zerohedge? really? There's nothing wrong with ZH as a source, especially not in bizzarro world where the likes of Snopes / Salon / Bellingcat are acceptable. They mostly quote other sources and they provide links to those sources so you can do the exact kind of digging you just did.

Not the case for many "reputable" sources.

and did you completely forget to read the entire google translation?!?
Angela Merkel calls for willingness to surrender sovereignty
Chancellor Angela Merkel advocated a reconciliation of interests at the international, parliamentary level. "Nation-states should be willing to give up their sovereignty today," Merkel said
Right at the top ... ZH is not misrepresenting that at all.
 
As opposed to the Gypsies coming over, which is the kind of thing they wish to stop ...
It's hard to keep up with who are the immigrant bogeymen of the hour.

This is the problem with Internet debates. You have some idiot that claims socialism is good and then list China.
Is China not currently successful?

Socialism has a pretty broad meaning. As does communism apparently since it seems to be used often to refer to what were really examples of state capitalism.
 
So no proof at all? Just baseless accusation?

Jeez...

Just go to the Zerohedge Wikipedia webpage, there are numerous links from there (including pointing to ex-staffers who confirm the same).

If you think Zerohedge is unbiased or accurate when it comes to alt-right crap you’re seriously deluded.
 
Just go to the Zerohedge Wikipedia webpage, there are numerous links from there (including pointing to ex-staffers who confirm the same).
Oh you mean the ex-staffer that bad mouthed them in the press only to be revealed as a druggie? Sure, sure, perhaps do some actual research on that one eh ...

If you think Zerohedge is unbiased or accurate when it comes to alt-right crap you’re seriously deluded.
I never said unbiased, hell for that matter I never said "accurate" either as an unqualified adjective. I said:
There's nothing wrong with ZH as a source, especially not in bizzarro world where the likes of Snopes / Salon / Bellingcat are acceptable. They mostly quote other sources and they provide links to those sources so you can do the exact kind of digging you just did

You are the one claiming 9 times out of 10 they "aren't reputable" and claiming they are "masters of BS", that should be easy enough to prove with a citation ...

ZH is at least as reputable and accurate as the large, completely biased, news networks e.g. CNN. That's less of an admiration for ZH than a commentary on the state of the likes of CNN. The MSM bar has sunk pathetically low, and anyone who uses that as a source had better STFU when ZH is quoted back, people in glass houses and what not ...
 
ZH is at least as reputable and accurate as the large, completely biased, news networks e.g. CNN. That's less of an admiration for ZH than a commentary on the state of the likes of CNN. The MSM bar has sunk pathetically low, and anyone who uses that as a source had better STFU when ZH is quoted back, people in glass houses and what not

Only in your world...
 
UK govt awards Brexit ferry contract to company with no ships

Updated / Sunday, 30 Dec 2018 22:33

[https://img]The planned new service will operate between Ramsgate (pictured) and Ostend

A company with no ships and which has not previously operated a service has been given a £13.9 million contract by the British government to run extra ferries as part of preparations for a no-deal Brexit.

Seaborne Freight was one of three companies awarded contracts totalling £108 million last week to lay on additional crossings to ease the pressure on Dover.

The company aims to operate freight ferries from Ramsgate to the Belgian port of Ostend, beginning with two ships in late March and increasing to four by the end of the summer.

But a Conservative county councillor for the Kent port town said he did not believe it would be possible to set up a new service from Ramsgate by the scheduled date of Brexit on 29 March.

Cllr Paul Messenger questioned whether the government had carried out sufficient checks on the firm, telling the BBC: "It has no ships and no trading history so how can due diligence be done?

"Why choose a company that never moved a single truck in their entire history and give them £14 million? I don't understand the logic of that."

Seaborne was established two years ago and has been in negotiations about running freight ferries between Ramsgate and Ostend, but no services are currently running.

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2018/1230/1019649-brexit-ferry-contract/
 

Though the company gets no money if it doesn’t have services operating by the end of March, they appear to have been making plans to begin the route for quite some time and the company appears to be managed by experienced people.

Dredging at Ramsgate Port will begin on January 4 in preparation for ferry services in late March, claim the directors of Seaborne Freight.

The firm, which is proposing to run a Ramsgate/Ostend service, says operations will start in late March – to coincide with the UK withdrawal from the European Union – initially with two ships.

Despite prolonged negotiations no announcement has yet been made that a deal has been signed with Thanet council for the route.. A service had been mooted to start in March this year but the date came -and went – with no sign of progress.

But Seaborne has now been awarded a government contract worth £13.8million to “supply additional freight capacity on ferry services between England and Belgium in order to minimise the potential disruption of trade across the Short Straits in the event that the UK leaves the EU without an agreement.”

The firm is one of three which received a share of £107million.The others are French company Brittany Ferries, receiving £46m and DFDS with an award of £47m.

The ferry services under the contracts have to be operational by March 29, the day Brexit comes into force.

In a statement Seaborne Freight says directors and shareholders have been working over the last two years on a business plan to reintroduce the Ramsgate to Ostend ferry service from early 2019.

A spokesman said: “During the development phase and pending the finalisation of robust funding arrangements, the business has been financed by the shareholders.

“This phase has included locating suitable vessels, making arrangements with the ports of Ostend and Ramsgate, building the infrastructure, such as bunkering, as well as crewing the ferries once they start operating. A work-up phase is part of the programme and training will be provided by a specialist organisation.

“The operational base is located in Folkestone where the Seaborne team is currently based, but will move to Ramsgate as soon as the port has been dredged and the facilities to operate the booking and loading services have been finalised.

“It was intended to start the service in mid-February but this has now been delayed until late March for operational reasons. This coincides with the Department for Transport’s Freight Capacity Purchase Agreement with Seaborne which is part of their preparations to increase ferry capacity in the unlikely event of a no-deal BREXIT.”

‘Four ferries by Summer’
Seaborne say although operations will begin with two ferries this will “very quickly increase to four by late summer.”

More at https://theisleofthanetnews.com/201...te-will-begin-in-march-says-seaborne-freight/
 
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46720323
Mr Johnson also said that he had been surprised by the "defeatism" felt in the UK over Brexit.

"All of the reporting looks back and it looks at a very static future, rather than an active British future - about solving problems, entrepreneurialism and taking advantage of opportunities and being very innovative," said Mr Johnson.

"If you look back and try to project the past into the present and future, it's going to be bleak.

"But you're leaving out the great thing that Britain has to offer and that is all of the people and all of their efforts and their ability to solve problems. If you factor that in, I think the future is extremely positive, extremely bright."

also discussed in the article: the US is ready to trade much more with a truly free Britain, not one shackled to the EU.
 
Seeing as it is 31 December ... here's wishing a hard brexit for all the true Brits in the new year, what a glorious new beginning it would be!
 
Other than the fact they get no money if the service isn’t in place on time, and the company responsible has been planning to reintroduce the service for years (and appears to be paying to upgrade the port).
Outsourcing to one of the lower priced bidders is the way to do it.
 
Outsourcing to one of the lower priced bidders is the way to do it.

It’s a contract to supply ferry services (also awarded to the 2 big ferry companies in larger amounts), how do you deem it outsourcing? Are you expecting the Royal Navy or Royal Fleet Auxiliary to use their ships?

Though I suppose you could fit a fair number of trucks on HMS Queen Elizabeth ;)
 
It’s a contract to supply ferry services (also awarded to the 2 big ferry companies in larger amounts), how do you deem it outsourcing? Are you expecting the Royal Navy or Royal Fleet Auxiliary to use their ships?

Though I suppose you could fit a fair number of trucks on HMS Queen Elizabeth ;)
It was the only bidder in an unadvertised tender, apparently. You got shares?

Brexit ferry firm Seaborne in terms and conditions gaffe

03 January 2019

A firm awarded a government contract to provide extra ferry services has used website terms and conditions apparently intended for a takeaway food firm.

Seaborne Freight was given the £13.8m contract to run a freight service between Ramsgate and Ostend in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

Its original terms and conditions advised customers to check goods before "agreeing to pay for any meal/order".

The government said the section was "put up in error" and was now correct.

In a statement, the Department for Transport said: "Before any contract was signed, due diligence on Seaborne Freight was carried out both by senior officials at the Department for Transport, and highly reputable independent third party organisations with significant experience and expertise into Seaborne's financial, technical and legal underpinning

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46748193
 
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