The Brexit Thread

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Spizz said:
I think it’s not going to deliver the border security that people want and ultimately it is going to break up the union.
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Off course, but do you want the commons to reject it tomorrow.
 
Zoomzoom said:
Why does everyone ignore the third option? It isn't just deal or no deal, when did no brexit get removed from all possible outcomes? It isn't too late to eat farking humble pie and stay in the EU.
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Err...that happened in 2016. The only legitimate 2nd referendum option is Boris' deal or no deal. Remain has been eliminated.

No patriotic Brit will stand for the humiliation of just staying in the EU. Staying in the EU is for people who have a distinct whiff of anti-Britishness about them and are ashamed of Britain's past, hence their need for a clutch (the EU) to hold on.
 
Zoomzoom said:
Why does everyone ignore the third option? It isn't just deal or no deal, when did no brexit get removed from all possible outcomes? It isn't too late to eat farking humble pie and stay in the EU.
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To get to a referendum this deal will 1st have to be rejected. If that happens an early election becomes inevitable (the current government will never call a referendum).
A party campaigning on a 2nd referendum manifesto has to win the election. Polls show this to be highly improbable.
 
The silver lining in this deal is that Farage & DUP hate it. Irish reunification and shutting up Farage for good are pretty big wins.
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
No patriotic Brit will stand for the humiliation of just staying in the EU. Staying in the EU is for people who have a distinct whiff of anti-Britishness about them and are ashamed of Britain's past, hence their need for a clutch (the EU) to hold on.
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No the term you are reaching for is not patriotic, but nationalistic. In the modern context patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism.
 
Verde said:
A party campaigning on a 2nd referendum manifesto has to win the election. Polls show this to be highly improbable.
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The ever growing rift between CON and BXP means a split Brexit vote and no alliance between them. I suspect there could be a hung parliament, with SNP/LD being the kingmakers.

If the votes passes tomorrow, CON will walk the election, and Corbyn is finished.
 
Pitbull said:
Who claimed it's better?

Please point to one example of someone saying it's better since it's been in the public now for what, 2 days? The Libtards wants a deal, so it's this deal or an extension. Which I guess it will be a request for an extension and it will be shot down. Bring on Hard Brexit (No-deal). Let's assume an extension is given, do you see a different deal in 3 months?
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So why was May's deal not acceptable, but this one is palatable to Brexiters?
 
JayM said:
The silver lining in this deal is that Farage & DUP hate it. Irish reunification and shutting up Farage for good are pretty big wins.
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Farage is against any deal, irrespective of what's in it. He is financially invested in a no deal outcome.
 
Verde said:
No the term you are reaching for is not patriotic, but nationalistic. In the modern context patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism.
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Explain. Whenever I see rallies, the pro-Brexit ones are waving their Union Jacks and are generally of a sunnier disposition than the doom & gloom merchants waving their EU flags...showing their strange devotion to a political construct. Furthermore, Leavers have always believed that the UK is better off out - i.e. that they can survive without the 'motherly' EU nurturing it. It is crystal clear that Leaves have far more faith in the UK than Remoaners do.
 
JayM said:
The ever growing rift between CON and BXP means a split Brexit vote and no alliance between them. I suspect there could be a hung parliament, with SNP/LD being the kingmakers.

If the votes passes tomorrow, CON will walk the election, and Corbyn is finished.
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Agreed, in that scenario a 2nd referendum is likely. Unfortunately polls show support for a deal over remain in such a referendum.

The best strategy for those of us who want to see the UK remaining in the EU, is to respect the 1st referendum and agree to an orderly deal to leave. After that is accomplished I expect public opinion to swing strongly toward close ties with the EU and eventually rejoining.
 
Zoomzoom said:
The misinformation has been categorically proven over and over. Anyone who disputes it is in complete disregard of the facts.
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Yes, both campaigns (stay and leave) were heavily criticized after the referendum, not only one side bent the truth to suit their mandate as the remainers would like to shout out. Also, politicians have been known to lie speak a load of nonsense, its not like this time was anything different, so people shouldn't so surprised.

Fact remains that democratic referendum was held, the result was YES, parliament should honour the result and leave the the EU.
 
buka001 said:
Piers Morgan and several Brexiters. Daily Mail and various facets are supporting this.

So why?
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Honestly? I think because everyone is sick to death of hearing about it after 3 years. Of all the **** deals the government has thrown together, and even the half-decent-better-than-nothing deals that Remain keeps voting down, as if there's some sort of motivation to make it all fail just so they can say "see? We told you so".

We're leaving. There's simply no other option. But it's only going to work if everyone comes to the party. There's no point in squabbling over free movement and the common market - if we keep both, what the hell was the point of leaving in the first place?
 
Verde said:
Agreed, in that scenario a 2nd referendum is likely. Unfortunately polls show support for a deal over remain in such a referendum.

The best strategy for those of us who want to see the UK remaining in the EU, is to respect the 1st referendum and agree to an orderly deal to leave. After that is accomplished I expect public opinion to swing strongly toward close ties with the EU and eventually rejoining.
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Leaving the EU will break up the union. The only question now is how much and what level of violence there will be in Scotland and NI.
 
JayM said:
It takes more than faith to get results though. "Remoaners" are more educated and contribute far more to the economy.
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And that's probably why Leave, and across the pond, Trump, won. The elitist attitude of the middle and upper classes. **** the uneducated working class, amirite?
 
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