A referendum does not have any legal force. A General Election does. There was a general election which took place AFTER the referendum which f*ed UKIP and took away the Tory majority. That is democracy. Harking back to outdated polls is ignoring the what the electorate wants NOW.
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No that is not the reason.This must be why brexiteers are so against a second referendum.
It is for the same reason that Trump supporters are opposed to a do over of the 2016 election.
For those of us who supported the other side in these elections the results were ghastly, but we have to respect it in the name of democracy.
No, I never said that. You're making stuff up, much like vote leave & promises of single market membership.
So they should implement Brexit then. The one that was promised by vote leave.
Indeed, but it's the will of the majority when the referendum was held. The government at the time promised to honour the referendum result as well. Back tracking then would be exactly the same to backtracking now, giving the finger to the majority who voted YES.
This is the thing though, having another referendum is not democracy either as then what was the point of the first one. The only reason for second referendum is to hopefully get a NO result this time around (NB: referendums are YES or NO, the nonsense mentioned the other day about have different options A to Z where people pick is not a referendum.)
Of course could go NO, and then what, best out of 3. It could also go YES, will the remainers honour the result this time? When will it end?
Still Brexit is way more interesting and exciting than our local politics where every second story is about a comrade getting fired and will now got to court go fight.
I support democracy not because it leads to the best outcome for a society (it does not).
I support it because it is a compromise with the ignorant masses and the power hungry elites, protecting productive members of society from the worst outcomes in exchange for sacrificing the optimal outcome.
Of course, along with every other member of parliament. They are all a bunch of bastards.
A referendum has no legal force. Its as simple as that. If the politicians ignore the results of the referendum, then its up to the electorate to remove them at the next general election and replace them. The electorate had this chance. Instead the electorate removed the bulk of leave MP's from Parliament. The electorate will get another chance soon. Who knows what they will decide. Im sure somebody will be shocked by the outcome and whine about how undemocratic is that voters vote the way they do.
A second referendum is a waste of time.
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Aquila ka Hecate
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Democracy: "A very good system, for beginners".
From being told 3 years ago that the UK held all the cards in these negotiations, to what? Conceding to a poor deal or crashing out entirely onto WTO rules?
So I guess the Project Fear, turned out to be closer to the truth?
So I guess the Project Fear, turned out to be closer to the truth?
Zoomzoom
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Tonnes of crops left to rot as farms struggle to recruit EU workers
Brexit fears and fall in sterling causing pickers to stay away, says National Farmers’ Union
www.theguardian.com
So I suggest the great British working class put down their social grants and start working.
Tonnes of crops left to rot as farms struggle to recruit EU workers
Brexit fears and fall in sterling causing pickers to stay away, says National Farmers’ Union
So I suggest the great British working class put down their social grants and start working.
Hahaha, one thing i have picked up on over here is that people are more than happy to take a government handout but not willing to work for it.
Zoomzoom
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This is but one of many consequences of leaving the EU. The other is that it is going to be expensive and difficult to import food. If the UK wants to eat, they need to get out in the fields and work. The problem of course. is that while they bitch about "those people" taking their jobs, the reality is that they don't want this work which pays less than their grant.
Kinda like our brothers and sisters here in SA
Very much so. Entitlement isn't a South African thing, you know
Very much so. Entitlement isn't a South African thing, you know
Wow. It’s not entitlement. Maybe having been brought up differently South Africans fail to understand, that in a functioning political system you have a deal between you and your government. You pay your taxes and they give you things in return. Simple. One of those things is unemployment benefit when you are out of work. Others are schooling and healthcare etc.
Sure you get scroungers and people trying to cheat the system, but benefits aren’t just handouts for feckless layabouts. They serve an important purpose in a civilised society.
16 year olds getting knocked up so that they will be given a house to live in is a form of entitlement. She's done ****all to deserve being given a house and will continue doing nothing because she gets given subsidies having never worked a day in her life.
Pitbull
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Tonnes of crops left to rot as farms struggle to recruit EU workers
Brexit fears and fall in sterling causing pickers to stay away, says National Farmers’ Union
So I suggest the great British working class put down their social grants and start working.
Or bring back Working VISAs.
The fact that these farmers have not planned accordingly now again I guess is BREXIT's fault /facepalm
As I said, there are scroungers and people who try to milk the system, but the vast majority use it properly and it benefits nearly 70m people.
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