The Brexit Thread

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The Voice said:
I suggest you take a look at the modern slavery happening in Leicester at the Boohoo factory where people are earning £3.50 an hour.
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Those are mostly illegal immigrants/visa overstayers from the Indian sub-continent, China and Vietnam, as Romania is in the EU they're unlikely to agree to work for a third of minimum wage.
 
Dave said:
Those are mostly illegal immigrants/visa overstayers from the Indian sub-continent, China and Vietnam, as Romania is in the EU they're unlikely to agree to work for a third of minimum wage.
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I bet they're working on farms too, though?
 
The Voice said:
Also, are there any unbiased news sources available these days? I mean, "The government admits..." with no quoted source or even a link to the white paper is just lazy, even for left-leaning/pro-Remain outlets like The Independent and the BBC.
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indeed, they're literally grasping at this lone straw:
Parliament has remained sovereign throughout our membership of the EU
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while the actual whitepaper surrounds it by all of this:
Parliamentary sovereignty
2.1 The sovereignty of Parliament is a fundamental principle of the UK constitution. Whilst Parliament has remained sovereign throughout our membership of the EU, it has not always felt like that. The extent of EU activity relevant to the UK can be demonstrated by the fact that 1,056 EU-related documents were deposited for parliamentary scrutiny in 2016. These include proposals for EU Directives, Regulations, Decisions and Recommendations, as well as Commission delegated acts, and other documents such as Commission Communications, Reports and Opinions submitted to the Council, Court of Auditors Reports and more.

2.2 Leaving the EU will mean that our laws will be made in London, Edinburgh, Cardiff and Belfast, and will be based on the specific interests and values of the UK. In chapter 1 we set out how the Great Repeal Bill will ensure that our legislatures and courts will be the final decision makers in our country.
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NarrowBandFtw said:
indeed, they're literally grasping at this lone straw:


while the actual whitepaper surrounds it by all of this:
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A literal facts vs feeling statement.

The UK was sovereign (fact), but it did not feel like it.
 
buka001 said:
A literal facts vs feeling statement.

The UK was sovereign (fact), but it did not feel like it.
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You're just going to don those blinkers and avoid reading the 1056 EU documents they were forced to scrutinize? That's a "feeling" right?

and the specific EU member legislation that outright states members MUST enact certain EU directives in their own laws which I have quoted and linked in this very thread multiple times ... just "feelings" :ROFL:

A sovereign state would say: fahk your documents, make it worth my while before I even look at it
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
You're just going to don those blinkers and avoid reading the 1056 EU documents they were forced to scrutinize? That's a "feeling" right?

and the specific EU member legislation that outright states members MUST enact certain EU directives in their own laws which I have quoted and linked in this very thread multiple times ... just "feelings" :ROFL:

A sovereign state would say: fahk your documents, make it worth my while before I even look at it
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So the UK uses the Euro?
The UK is part of the Schengen borders?

If the UK voted 90% in favour of those directives how unwilling were they to adopt these?

Anyway it wasn't my words. They were the words of the white paper. They stated explicitly that the UK was sovereign throughout (because theoretically they could reject laws, most notably demonstrated by the fact that the UK could leave the EU on its own choosing) and said that it felt like they were not.

Not me, the Conservative, pro-Brexit government said this.
 
buka001 said:
So the UK uses the Euro?
The UK is part of the Schengen borders?
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As if those were the only EU rules, but yes btw, the UK was legally forced, and threatened, by the EU for wanting to cut social benefits to non-permanent residents. You forgot that's how 'ol pig fahker cameron fell on his sword? Went to Brussels full of promises, came back with his tail between his legs and was forced to call the referendum he never wanted.

buka001 said:
If the UK voted 90% in favour of those directives how unwilling were they to adopt these?
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UK parliament != UK public, spot the difference

buka001 said:
Anyway it wasn't my words. They were the words of the white paper
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no it was the selective quote and misrepresentation of The Independent, nothing more
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
As if those were the only EU rules, but yes btw, the UK was legally forced, and threatened, by the EU for wanting to cut social benefits to non-permanent residents. You forgot that's how 'ol pig fahker cameron fell on his sword? Went to Brussels full of promises, came back with his tail between his legs and was forced to call the referendum he never wanted.


UK parliament != UK public, spot the difference


no it was the selective quote and misrepresentation of The Independent, nothing more
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No it is the white paper that says it felt like it.

2.1 The sovereignty of Parliament is a fundamental principle of the UK constitution. Whilst Parliament has remained sovereign throughout our membership of the EU, it has not always felt like that.
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C4Cat said:
This twitter thread just keeps getting funnier
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yes, it's almost as funny as a Tom Sharpe book ;)

Small side comment here. Try to avoid being pepper sprayed if you can, it's really unpleasant.
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www.theguardian.com

Three in four UK firms unprepared for Brexit, study shows

IoD says half of companies questioned cannot fully plan for end of transition period due to lack of clarity on rules
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Only one in four companies are prepared for Britain’s full departure from the European Union in five months time, company directors have warned.

Manufacturing firms in particular are unlikely to be ready for the end of the transition period with a lack of clarity on rule changes a bigger impediment to Brexit preparation than the need to focus on the coronavirus pandemic, according to research from the Institute of Directors.

Almost half of 1,000 company directors polled by the IoD said they were unable to prepare now for the changes needed from 31 December, with almost one in three saying they could only make adjustments once the details were clear.

A clear majority, 69% of directors, said that securing a trade deal, rather than crashing out of Europe on World Trade Organization (WTO) terms, was important for their own company. Even among directors who saw positives in divergence from EU rules, seven in 10 said a deal would be important to the economy.
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12295372/britain-bill-160billion-eu-loans-brexit/

BRITAIN is facing a £160billion EU loans bill after Brexit — four times the size of the “divorce” settlement.

Boris Johnson’s Withdrawal Agreement keeps the UK hooked to payments issued by EU agencies.
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Iain Duncan Smith, Ex-Conservative Party leader

WHILST the UK wants to have a good trade relationship with the EU as a sovereign state, the EU has different ideas.
They want our money and they want to stop us being a competitor.
The Withdrawal Agreement (WA) we signed last year sadly helps them.
To avoid their own budget black hole, the EU gets £39billion as a “divorce payment” from us, reflecting our share of the current EU budget.
But it gets worse. Buried in the fine print, unnoticed by many, is the fact we remain hooked into the EU’s loan book.
You cannot be half in the EU and half out, and in this, the problem is the WA.
It costs too much and it denies us true national independence.
This WA giving the EU future control over us has to go
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Also Iain Duncan Smith just last year:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1191831580936933377
 
The number of British nationals emigrating to other EU countries has risen by 30% since the Brexit referendum, with half making their decision to leave in the first three months after the vote, research has found.

Analysis of data from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) and Eurostat shows that migration from Britain to EU states averaged 56,832 people a year in 2008-15, growing to 73,642 a year in 2016-18.

The study also shows a 500% increase in those who made the move and then took up citizenship in an EU state. Germany saw a 2,000% rise, with 31,600 Britons naturalising there since the referendum.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ating-to-eu-has-risen-by-30-since-brexit-vote

Moreover, the study found that UK migrants are among the most educated and skilled of those from any nation, with one of the highest net average income rates, suggesting that Brexit has begun a steady drain of the most talented and productive people to the continent.

In Germany, UK migrants were among the highest earners, bringing in on average €2,812 a month in 2019, just behind those from Austria and the US.

There are now about 1.2 million British citizens living in the EU, between 120,000 and 150,000 of which are in Germany. In the four years since the Brexit referendum, 31,600 Brits have been granted dual British/German citizenship: 2019 saw 14,600 naturalisations compared to 622 in 2015.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...brain-drain-as-skilled-britons-head-to-the-eu
 
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