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Also, got the idiot from the Corbyn era, the anti-British Diane Abbott...so if his policies were so popular, why did Labour crash to their lowest number of seats since 1935 in 2019? Such bright sparks in Labour!
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Also, got the idiot from the Corbyn era, the anti-British Diane Abbott...so if his policies were so popular, why did Labour crash to their lowest number of seats since 1935 in 2019? Such bright sparks in Labour!
Dave
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Who said anything about the border? I was thinking more of cutting it off at the antonine wall
That would be a bit pointless, iirc you’d be keeping most of Glasgow and Edinburgh (including Sturgeon and her parliament) in England then…
Vorastra
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Is this woman literally a retard?
Yes. Yes she is.
I remember listening to this interview on LBC. It's was astounding.
Remember when she said black mothers were better than white mothers?
On a side note, I do so enjoy reminding people of "Labour's biggest defeat in 84 years".
Vorastra
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Eh, it's kinda become the UK News thread.
When the narrative fits, when not, its 'brexit only pl0x'
Vorastra
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UK sovereignty.
Also, when did I say I wanted the UK to leave the EU.
However, as a Portuguese citizen, the UK leaving has been good for me, it made Brussels listen to member states a little more closely.
Vorastra
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When your party is so shet, that this Conservative candidate beats you with this campaign video.
His suck dick pose was beautiful
So the UK wanting sovereignty from the EU is good, but Scotland wanting sovereignty from the UK is bad?
Most conservatives on this thread have tied themselves in all sort of knots trying to defend Brexit, if that wasn't you then I apologize.
Vorastra
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Scotland has no sovereignty, there is no legal mechanism for it. There is only the UK allowing Scotland to leave. That's it. Scotland has no right in law to seek "sovereignty" and act upon it in its own time or accord. They are a devolved region that happens to be called Scotland. Nothing more.
This is literally based on Westminster allowing Scotland. For all intents and purposes, Scotland is just some area in the UK.
The EU does not allow the UK to leave. The UK gives notice, and it leaves. There is no legal mechanism for Scotland to leave when it wants to leave.
Just like there is no Catalan sovereignty. It does not exist. They are Spain, and Spain is it.
Just as no State within the US has a legal right to sovereignty. They are not sovereign, they are allowed.
Good thing I'm not a conservative. It's just that they tend to have the same values that I do. Every day I have less in common with the far-left in their devoted march further to the left.
I haven't gone to the right, every party is moving further to the left under this constant barrage of "wokeism" that not even conservative parties seem to want to have the moral fortitude to stand against.
Dave
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As that’s all completely wrong it might be beneficial for you to go and do a little research.
Vorastra
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Scotland's devolved parliament literally has to go and ask Westminster to enact Section 30. Westminster can literally tell the Scottish parliament to fek off.
That is not sovereignty.
Nothing I've said it incorrect. This is the part where we argue what "sovereignty" means.
Show me under what law Scotland can leave the UK under its own "sovereign" mechanism? Besides a war.
It's nothing like a US state, Scotland was an independent country up until 1707.
If the people of Scotland by majority wish to leave the UK what is your moral justification for forcing them to remain?
Well, you certainly had me fooled.
Yeah, would keep glasgow etc, and so the remaining scotts there would all become illegals and you can deport them back above the wall where they can lift their skirts and shake their willies all they likeThat would be a bit pointless, iirc you’d be keeping most of Glasgow and Edinburgh (including Sturgeon and her parliament) in England then…
Vorastra
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You realise that a lot of US states were independent regions before they were accepted into the Union, right? They literally had to be accepted into the Union.
It's a correct, and fitting, comparison.
Because they literally have no basis in UK law to leave. They are not in any shape or form a region that can leave without the express permission of the UK parliament. (Technically the Queen but you get my point). Scotland does not belong to the Scots. It belongs to the UK. That's my moral justification.
It's as if KZN decided tomorrow to just become independent. KZN has no right to leave. KZN would be a rebel province and South Africa would have the legal right to retake it.
People seem think Scotland is a country that's part of the UK. It's not. It's a administered (devolved) region in the UK that happens to be called Scotland.
The Treaty of Union ceased Scotland's statehood.
Treaty of Union - Wikipedia
They literally were not allowed to legally leave until Westminster allowed the creation of Section 30 in the 1998 Scotland Act which Westminster can only trigger.
Scotland is the UK. The UK is Scotland.
Scotland is lucky a concession, in the formation of Section 30(6), was ever even allowed in the first place.
My comment clearly hasn't been understood.
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Scotland is a country engaged in an equal political union with three other countries. Would you say England is not a country? Because that is the same assertion you are making about Scotland. It is no different.
Scotland is one of Europe’s oldest countries and has many of its own mechanisms such as its own educational and legal systems. The Queen was even crowned head of state in a separate ceremony in Edinburgh and is QE the first of Scotland.
As Dave says, do some research.
Vorastra
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Name this union. Name the parliament that administers this union.
I rest my case.
Cool. Feels instead of reals. Thanks for this useless comment. Show me the legal framework supporting this Scotland country you think exists.
I have, which is why none of you can show me the law that allows Scotland to leave on its own accord beside war.
You’re muddying the waters by talking about a political agreement. How does the need of an agreement to leave the union not make Scotland a country?
Vorastra
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Literally what are you talking about.
The UK is a country. Scotland is a devolved region within the UK. It has no sovereignty. All of it's power is bestowed to it by the UK.
Scotland is not a country.
Before we get confused do you agree that: Country is defined as: "a nation with its own sovereign government, occupying a particular territory".
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Let me spell it out for you. I’m saying the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a political union of four countries.
So let me ask you as a starting point for further discussion so there is no confusion. Are you saying the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is one country?
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