The DA is in total crisis.

[Oldfut]

That's like running an unsuccessful business and blaming the public for not buying your products, all sign of someone who has run out of ideas.

This is very true; when you get something free and without working you are not going to vote for a party which suggests it may change that. "Performance" is seen through the eyes of the beholder. Until the money runs out of course but even then............................... Mugabe would probably still win an election in Zim; and I'm told he is dead.

 

[sand_man]

That's like running an unsuccessful business and blaming the public for not buying your products, all sign of someone who has run out of ideas.

Well, the DA's business is politics and efficiently running their constituents. They doing a pretty good job of it while their main competitor continues to bankrupt, break and pillage everything they touch.

As long as identity politics is the basis on which joe soap votes, joe will forever be living off of half white bought from the corner spazza shop..

I've reposted this quote hoping to evoke some sort of response. That there is none exemplifies the myopic nature of the average South African voter..

A perspective:

The DA-run Western Cape spent R3700 per school (a total of R2.55m) to decontaminate schools for the whole of last year).

The ANC-misgoverned Gauteng splashed between R260k-R380k per school/facility at a rate of R100/square metre. R431million in total.

 

[ForceFate]

This is very true; when you get something free and without working you are not going to vote for a party which suggests it may change that. "Performance" is seen through the eyes of the beholder. Until the money runs out of course but even then............................... Mugabe would probably still win an election in Zim; and I'm told he is dead.

Mugabe used violence to steer elections in his favour.

 

[sand_man]

The DA has made sure to start their own self created crisis every single time they were supposed to be taking advantage of the ANC's weakness, they seem to be very good at that.

By crisis are you referring to the tone deaf tweeting tannie and her side kick John?

In the context of the collapsing economy and all the implications that has for millions of citizens, how critical a role do you think their utterances have had?

Do you honestly think that in 20 years time when we sitting in darkness, eating our half white, drinking rain water and wondering how our kids are going to cross the flooded river to get to school this morning, we going to be lamenting that bloody tweeting tannie and her side kick John and the role they played in bankrupting the country?

Come on man!! You cleverer than that...

 

[TheChamp]

This is very true; when you get something free and without working you are not going to vote for a party which suggests it may change that. "Performance" is seen through the eyes of the beholder. Until the money runs out of course but even then............................... Mugabe would probably still win an election in Zim; and I'm told he is dead.

This sounds like a rant...

 

[CTBP]

Every time I come back here it is amusing to see the ANC brown nosers continuing to moan about what he DA is doing wrong their entire party is failing at everything but here they are.

 

[rietrot]

By crisis are you referring to the tone deaf tweeting tannie and her side kick John?

..

Ja, no. Calling out the communist BS isn't tone deaf. Itis exactly the tone we need.

John is still weak though. He followed along with the identity politics of Mmusi, without objecting. He can't be the leader if he is just either Mmusi's or Zille's lapdog.

 

[rambo919]

Ja, no. Calling out the communist BS isn't tone deaf. Itis exactly the tone we need.

No tone deaf is certainly one answer as to why she does what she does.

After all she made her career on shoving out the NP and underestimating how big a problem the ANC will be as well as probably suffering from bigotry of low expectations.

The far left has simply shoved aside her leftism lite and she seems to still be unable to understand what happened.... she seems to a point to still be living in the year 2000.

 

[rietrot]

No tone deaf is certainly one answer as to why she does what she does.

After all she made her career on shoving out the NP and underestimating how big a problem the ANC will be as well as probably suffering from bigotry of low expectations.

The far left has simply shoved aside her leftism lite and she seems to still be unable to understand what happened.... she seems to a point to still be living in the year 2000.

You could be a classical liberal and oppose to Apartheid and the NP. That might have seem like feft wing in 1980, it might seem like right wing today.

Whatever wing it is definitely a respectable position to hold. Obviously the identity politic types don't like hearing that we should not be racist. They love their revenge racism.

Standing on your principles and not giving in to the racist communist is not tone deaf. Why would you entertain their nonsense?
Why use their tone and agree with them?

 

[rambo919]

You could be a classical liberal and oppose to Apartheid and the NP. That might have seem like feft wing in 1980, it might seem like right wing today.

Whatever wing it is definitely a respectable position to hold. Obviously the identity politic types don't like hearing that we should not be racist. They love their revenge racism.

Standing on your principles and not giving in to the racist communist is not tone deaf. Why would you entertain their nonsense?
Why use their tone and agree with them?

You are not getting it, the tone deafness is in not seeming to understand why people react the way they do. In interviews after the first twit storms she looked visibly confused.

She helped usher in the current situation when she should have fought tooth and nail against the western forcing of the ANC into power.... her kind of activist liberalism is just as much to blame for ANC abuse of power as the ANC itself because everything that resulted from the ANC power grab was perfectly predictable at the time. Even the IFP taking control would have been the saner solution, the ANC should never have been unbanned.

But everyone arrogantly thought the cadres could be manipulated into "behaving".

 

[rietrot]

You are not getting it, the tone deafness is in not seeming to understand why people react the way they do. In interviews after the first twit storms she looked visibly confused.

She helped usher in the current situation when she should have fought tooth and nail against the western forcing of the ANC into power.... her kind of activist liberalism is just as much to blame for ANC abuse of power as the ANC itself because everything that resulted from the ANC power grab was perfectly predictable at the time. Even the IFP taking control would have been the saner solution, the ANC should never have been unbanned.

But everyone arrogantly thought the cadres could be manipulated into "behaving".

People react the way they do because they Buy into identity politics and revenge racism like BEE or they are just uneducated.

There is no mystery here.

The rest of your post is nonsense. Mandela was fine Mbeki was good. The problem wasn't ending Apartheid or unbanning the ANC. The problem is people still voting for the ANC today

 

[vigras rojara]

You are not getting it, the tone deafness is in not seeming to understand why people react the way they do. In interviews after the first twit storms she looked visibly confused.

She helped usher in the current situation when she should have fought tooth and nail against the western forcing of the ANC into power.... her kind of activist liberalism is just as much to blame for ANC abuse of power as the ANC itself because everything that resulted from the ANC power grab was perfectly predictable at the time. Even the IFP taking control would have been the saner solution, the ANC should never have been unbanned.

But everyone arrogantly thought the cadres could be manipulated into "behaving".

"ANC power grab"?

Democracy is obviously not your thing.

 

[rambo919]

The rest of your post is nonsense. Mandela was fine Mbeki was good. The problem wasn't ending Apartheid or unbanning the ANC. The problem is people still voting for the ANC today

The way people think about Mandela is purely the result of excellent PR, the man himself was a egotistical socialist.

Mbeki was highly intelligent and laid the framework for todays legal hooknet that has enslaved the country.... he is not a good man.

 

[wingnut771]

The way people think about Mandela is purely the result of excellent PR, the man himself was a egotistical socialist.

Mbeki was highly intelligent and laid the framework for todays legal hooknet that has enslaved the country.... he is not a good man.

Mbeki was the one who centralised power into the office of the presidency.

 

[rietrot]

Mbeki was the one who centralised power into the office of the presidency.

How did he do this?

 

[wingnut771]

How did he do this?

Not sure, I just remember hearing about it back in the day.

 

[Vrotappel]

Out of interest, Wikipedia now describes the political direction of the DA as being "centre to centre-right". It was not the case before.

It will be good if they finally own the centre-right leaning image rather than act as though they are left-leaning as they did under Maimane and Zille's latter years.

The last time that they owned the centre-right image was when they were the DP under Tony Leon.

Democratic Alliance (South Africa) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You have no idea what any of that means. In other news so does anybody else.

 

[TheChamp]

How did he do this?

He was so powerful that he did not need to do all the consulting that Cyril has to do, pretty much the same thing Zuma did, the only difference is that Zuma centralized all the power at Saxonwold.

What Mbeki did was that through the power given to him by the ANC he was able to ignore some things that Cyril cannot, there was a time he did not even bother about attending ANC NEC meetings, and no one dared say anything about it.

That's where the aloofness accusations came from and that is why Zuma defeated him, he pretended to care what the NEC says, he pretended to care what Cosatu and the SACP are saying, he pretended to care about the branches of the ANC and the voters.

 

[rietrot]

He was so powerful that he did not need to do all the consulting that Cyril has to do, pretty much the same thing Zuma did, the only difference is that Zuma centralized all the power at Saxonwold.

What Mbeki did was that through the power given to him by the ANC he was able to ignore some things that Cyril cannot, there was a time he did not even bother about attending ANC NEC meetings, and no one dared say anything about it.

That's where the aloofness accusations came from and that is why Zuma defeated him, he pretended to care what the NEC says, he pretended to care what Cosatu and the SACP are saying, he pretended to care about the branches of the ANC and the voters.

Good on Mbeki. I have more respect for him now that I know he didn't negotiate with the communist.

 

[Vrotappel]

The ANC will stay in power because those that vote for grants exceed those voters that must work for their money.

The DA must stay away from populism and race based identity politics.

If in the long run it does not gain them votes the average voter in SA will deserve the ANC and what it is doing to the country.

Sien is glo, voel is wragtig.