The disaster known as Netanyahu

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Well-handled, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu. Rather than apologise to the Turkish government for the deaths of nine of its nationals on the Mavi Marmara, you dug in and now your ambassador to Ankara has been expelled. At this rate, the once critical Israeli-Turkish relationship will soon be finished, leaving Israel with no friends in the region except shaky Jordan.

The peace treaty with Egypt is holding, but just barely and Egypt can hardly be considered a friend anymore. Its people despise Israel and identify it with former President Mubarak, the one Egyptian relationship Israel bothered cultivating. Israel's de facto friendship with Syria will end when President Bashar al-Assad goes. He is no Zionist, but he has been a force for stability on Syria's border with Israel, and Lebanon's, too.

Once he's gone, the north will almost surely heat up, especially now that Hezbollah plays a dominant role in the Lebanese government. As for the Palestinians, Netanyahu says that if they dare to take their case to the United Nations later this month, he may declare the Oslo agreement null and void. In other words, the Palestinians will be deemed enemies of Israel. Again.

In short, Binyamin Netanyahu is very close to bringing Israel back to where it was before the Oslo agreement of 1993. There is even the strong possibility that he will take it back to where it was before the Camp David peace treaty with Egypt — with the added disaster that the relationship with Turkey (established in 1948) will also be gone.

In a normal country, a record of disastrous failures like those would lead to Netanyahu's departure from office. But not in Israel. Despite all the damage he has done to the country's security and to its economy (note the massive protests against Netanyahu's Tea Party economics), he remains in office because the right supports him and Israel is governed by an entirely right-wing coalition.

The worst part is that nearly all of Israel's problems with its neighbors could be resolved by ending the occupation. Even the economy would benefit if the Israeli government was not wasting so much money on the settlers and their exorbitant demands.

New realities

Israel's propaganda machine would have it otherwise. It insists that the Palestinians, and the Arabs and Muslims throughout the world who support them, don't really care about the occupation. Their goal, we are constantly told, is to destroy Israel itself. As proof, they insist that "the Palestinians have never recognised Israel's right to statehood."

This is the kind of thing that used to be called the "big lie." The Palestinians have repeatedly recognised Israel's right to statehood and security within the 1967 borders.

For those who have forgotten, that is what President Clinton, Prime Minister Rabin and PLO Chairman Yasir Arafat agreed to on the White House lawn that day in 1993. Israel recognised Palestinian rights and the Palestinians recognised Israel. In the years since, neither side has threatened to revoke that recognition until last month when Netanyahu began saying that Oslo could be revoked if the Palestinians go to the United Nations.

But why?

The Palestinian turn to the United Nations offers the solution to virtually all of Israel's problems. President Mahmoud Abbas says that once Palestine is recognised by the international body, he will resume negotiations*with Israel over all the issues that divide the two sides. The only difference will be that negotiations will be between two states, not one powerful state and one supplicant hoping a few crumbs fall off the table.

Netanyahu is terrified of a UN vote. He and his emissaries are going around the world demanding that the statehood resolution be voted down. And the combined forces of Netanyahu and the lobby here have cajoled the Obama administration to join Netanyahu in demanding a "no" vote.

It is clear that Netanyahu wants to preserve the status quo, even if it means that Israel reverts to a position where every one of its neighbors is an actual or potential enemy, even if it means that its strategic relationship with Turkey is over, even if it means that it has no one in the region to help prevent war with Iran.

Wrong priorities

It sounds crazy, but only because it is. Netanyahu's highest priority is to maintain the occupation. The settlers and the religious fanatics are his people; the Israelis of Tel Aviv and Haifa are not. It's not that Israel's security does not matter to Netanyahu. It does. But for him, Ariel and the crazed settlers of Hebron matter every bit as much as the state itself. To him, there is no difference. (On that score, Netanyahu is much like Palestinian extremists who view all of Israel as occupied territory. Netanyahu makes no distinctions either.)

Netanyahu is bringing Israel to the brink and no one is doing anything about it. Both the president and Congress go along with Netanyahu because the lobby tells them that the only way to support Israel (and, in turn, be supported by its "friends") is to approve of everything done by the Israeli prime minister. That is why the Palestinians have to go to the UN. They cannot expect anything from the United States or even the Europeans (who are being pressured heavily on Netanyahu's behalf by the US).

The UN vote is expected to occur on September 20. It is too much to hope that America will do what it knows is the right thing and vote "yes" or be an honest broker and abstain. The best we can hope for is that the United States and Israel are part of a very small minority voting "no." That kind of vote will strengthen the Palestinians and perhaps frighten Netanyahu into negotiating in good faith.

But even if not, the UN will have stated that the Palestinians are people, too; people with rights, including the right to full sovereignty in the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem. At that point, the writing will be on the wall. The occupation is ending, hopefully before Netanyahu does too much more damage ... to Israel.

MJ Rosenberg is a Senior Foreign Policy Fellow at the Media Matters Action Network.

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/09/20119217332358108.html
 
Banned for? Lol, are you upset because my thread does not concur with your twisted views?

Difference of opinion, can never result in a ban.
 
The actual article makes a lot of sense. But religion, politics and good sense are not friends.
 
WWIII is coming folks. Then, frankly, its the boys with the biggest boom that comes out on top. So politics and paperwork aside, Israel will bring it.
 
WWIII is coming folks. Then, frankly, its the boys with the biggest boom that comes out on top. So politics and paperwork aside, Israel will bring it.

Not for long mate, their sole ally in the West and all its allies in Europe are in a bit of a predicament.
 
let them fight, let them visit war upon each other, and by all that is good and holy in this world LET THEM WIPE EACH OTHER OUT. TOTAL COMPLETE AND UTTER ANNIHILATION. then only will there be peace in the middle east.

in a nutshell, fsck the jews and fsck the arabs
 
Well-handled, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu.

Heh, heh. So Israel gave Turkey the finger. However, if Turkey wants to give a grovelling apology to Israel, I feel that Israel should graciously accept.
 
Whereas the Middle East states are all models of peace and stability.

Good point, and its no surprise, seeing that the US and the Zionists had their puppets in nearly every Arab regime including, Turkey, Syria, Jordan, Egypt(not just Mubarak, but from the time of Sadaat) as well as the house of Saud, Bahrain, UAE, and most of the Gulf States. The US and the Zionists can claim to be 'bastions' of democracy but any individual without a complete impairment of intelligence would be able to notice that most of the US and Israels covert relations are either with monarchies, despots, dictators, and authoritarian style rulers. 'Hypocritical' is the term, I believe.
 
Forget about foreign affairs, Israel's got enough domestic problems. They've had an incredibly inflationary monetary policy and it's starting to really sting...
 
let them fight, let them visit war upon each other, and by all that is good and holy in this world LET THEM WIPE EACH OTHER OUT. TOTAL COMPLETE AND UTTER ANNIHILATION. then only will there be peace in the middle east.

in a nutshell, fsck the jews and fsck the arabs

and **** Africans. Total and complete annihilation, wipe us all out. Problem solved. :rolleyes:
 
Good point, and its no surprise, seeing that the US and the Zionists had their puppets in nearly every Arab regime including, Turkey, Syria, Jordan, Egypt(not just Mubarak, but from the time of Sadaat) as well as the house of Saud, Bahrain, UAE, and most of the Gulf States. The US and the Zionists can claim to be 'bastions' of democracy but any individual without a complete impairment of intelligence would be able to notice that most of the US and Israels covert relations are either with monarchies, despots, dictators, and authoritarian style rulers. 'Hypocritical' is the term, I believe.

Are you referring to Anwar Sadat? The guy who started a war with Israel? I wonder what the Zionist puppeteers were thinking there.
 
Even the israeli's are sick of him, mass protests the other day. They kill 9 turks, 5 Egyptians and people defend them. If Palestine had nailed 14 israeli's they would have bombed like crazy.
 
Israel's propaganda machine would have it otherwise. It insists that the Palestinians, and the Arabs and Muslims throughout the world who support them, don't really care about the occupation. Their goal, we are constantly told, is to destroy Israel itself. As proof, they insist that "the Palestinians have never recognised Israel's right to statehood."

This is the kind of thing that used to be called the "big lie." The Palestinians have repeatedly recognised Israel's right to statehood and security within the 1967 borders.

For those who have forgotten, that is what President Clinton, Prime Minister Rabin and PLO Chairman Yasir Arafat agreed to on the White House lawn that day in 1993. Israel recognised Palestinian rights and the Palestinians recognised Israel. In the years since, neither side has threatened to revoke that recognition until last month when Netanyahu began saying that Oslo could be revoked if the Palestinians go to the United Nations.

Aaah I see how you twist that and turn it into an untruth.

Fact: Hamas is the de facto ruling party in Palestine now

What does Hamas say about Israel.

"Israel is not a legitimate entity, and no amount of pressure can force us to recognize its right to exist."
-Dr. Mahmud Al-Zahar, Hamas leader in Gaza, Washington Times, February 4, 2006

"Before Israel dies, it must be humiliated and degraded. Allah willing, before they die, they will experience humiliation and degradation every day."
-Dr. Mahmud Al-Zahar, Hamas leader in Gaza, Washington Times, February 4, 2006

"Neither the liberation of the Gaza Strip nor the liberation of the West Bank or even Jerusalem will suffice us. Hamas will pursue the armed struggle until the liberation of all our lands. We don't recognize the state of Israel or its right to hold onto one inch of Palestine. Palestine is an Islamic land belonging to all the Muslims."
-Dr. Mahmud al-Zahar, Hamas leader in Gaza, The Jerusalem Post, August 18, 2005

"Tomorrow, our nation will sit on the throne of the world. This is not a figment of the imagination, but a fact. Tomorrow we will lead the world, Allah willing."
-Khalid al-Mish'al, leader of Hamas, Al-Jazeera TV, February 3, 2006

"She [Hamas suicide bomber Re'em Al-Riyashi] is not going to be the last because the march of resistance will continue until the Islamic flag is raised, not only over the minarets of Jerusalem, but over the whole universe."
-Dr. Mahmud Al-Zahar, Hamas leader in Gaza, Associated Press, January 15, 2004

"To hell with you all."
-Khalid al-Mish'al, leader of Hamas, speaking about German Chancellor Merkel's call for Hamas to recognize Israel, Al-Jazeera TV, February 3, 2006


I see you quoted a dead leader of a political party that no longer has the power it once did in Palestine.

When will Hamas allow Jews to vote in Palestine? I see Muslims cant vote in Israel.

I will leave you with these kind words from a leading muslim figure in Palestine talking about his Jew..

(Ismail Haniyeh, head of the Hamas administration in the Gaza Strip commenting on the killing of Osama Bin Laden, May 2, 2011)

"Whoever is killed by a Jew receives the reward of two martyrs, because the very thing that the Jews did to the prophets was done to him.

"The Jews are the most despicable and contemptible nation to crawl upon the face of the Earth, because they have displayed hostility to Allah.

"Allah will kill the Jews in the hell of the world to come, just like they killed the believers in the hell of this world.

"The Jews kill anyone who believes in Allah. They do not want to see any peace whatsoever on Earth."


FYI: I think Netanyahu and other conservative hardliners are dicks... but tbh... so are those fighting against the right of Israel or Jews to exist.
 
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Well how do you expect hamas to recognize israel when israel won't recognize them.

Seems a bit unfair to think hamas should think israel deserve to be around when israel don't feel the same about them. Although it's different with israel hey they are victims right?
 
Even the israeli's are sick of him, mass protests the other day. They kill 9 turks, 5 Egyptians and people defend them. If Palestine had nailed 14 israeli's they would have bombed like crazy.
The turks weren’t exactly singing kumbaya now were they?
The 5 Egyptians, still not confirmed who and how they died, the exact situation is still being examined.
You forget the palestinians killed 8 Israeli civilians and attacked civilians buses and cars a week or so ago.

But lets not sidetrack, the OP is that Netanyahu is a dick, and indeed he is. Actually Barak is even a bigger dick but thats a whole new thread.

Maybe September 20th will change some things, who knows, 2 weeks to go....
 
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Well how do you expect hamas to recognize israel when israel won't recognize them.

Seems a bit unfair to think hamas should think israel deserve to be around when israel don't feel the same about them. Although it's different with israel hey they are victims right?

Its lame tit-for-tat on both sides. Neither wants peace or they would get it. If black and white could work it out here, its not hard for people with VERY similar religions and backgrounds and history to get along. As said, neither side wants it at all. Theyre all dumb-asses in the middle east.
 
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