I'm sitting on 10+ completions of Lincoln CM since the patch, never heard of anyone getting a Teal drop yet
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I'm sitting on 10+ completions of Lincoln CM since the patch, never heard of anyone getting a Teal drop yet
Acid0
Executive Member
Ok so it seems Challenge mode is back for me dont know waht the issue was, My GS is about 158 now with a ACP of about 109k, where can I get a decent HE semi auto sniper rifle.
I still have my purple M1A first wave one that deals about 30k dmg.
I must say it is funny how a lot of HE player dont know to run past the first wave and past the snipers in Lincoln tunnel
thanks for taking me along last to see how it actually gets done properly.
Yeah We had a few nice Rogue hunts this weekend where we teamed up with a couple of other players and started hunting the rogues.
So I only managed to get to DZ 38 last night as I dont play to much in the DZ and do much more runs chasing gear for me.
I have tried to re - craft the ACP 45 but cant craft one better than my original one.
So now my focus is to actually get a backpack with much more ammo capacity and a HE sniper rifle.
I still have my purple M1A first wave one that deals about 30k dmg.
I must say it is funny how a lot of HE player dont know to run past the first wave and past the snipers in Lincoln tunnel
thanks for taking me along last to see how it actually gets done properly.Yeah We had a few nice Rogue hunts this weekend where we teamed up with a couple of other players and started hunting the rogues.
So I only managed to get to DZ 38 last night as I dont play to much in the DZ and do much more runs chasing gear for me.
I have tried to re - craft the ACP 45 but cant craft one better than my original one.
So now my focus is to actually get a backpack with much more ammo capacity and a HE sniper rifle.
Witnessed one of the 2 puggers in our group get a strikers piece from Lincoln CM on Saturday. Kinda wished you could go rogue on people outside the DZ too
In relation to a point Magicdude mentioned earlier, the thing annoying me most now is how Massive handles exploits/hackers.
"Ooo, people found another exploit.... we won't do anything to them, but we'll punish the hell out of anyone who wants to do this content from here on"
If it wasn't happening with every exploit found, I'd feel more forgiving, but with the number of "nerfs" I've suffered due to exploiters, with them still keeping all their ill-gotten gear saddens me.
I still enjoy playing the game, and look forward to completing a couple sets, but really hope Massive actually starts doing something pro-active. Hell, it seems even the /report doesn't work due to the ability for hackers to change their ingame names.
Acid0
Executive Member
Witnessed one of the 2 puggers in our group get a strikers piece from Lincoln CM on Saturday. Kinda wished you could go rogue on people outside the DZ too
In relation to a point Magicdude mentioned earlier, the thing annoying me most now is how Massive handles exploits/hackers.
"Ooo, people found another exploit.... we won't do anything to them, but we'll punish the hell out of anyone who wants to do this content from here on"
If it wasn't happening with every exploit found, I'd feel more forgiving, but with the number of "nerfs" I've suffered due to exploiters, with them still keeping all their ill-gotten gear saddens me.
I still enjoy playing the game, and look forward to completing a couple sets, but really hope Massive actually starts doing something pro-active. Hell, it seems even the /report doesn't work due to the ability for hackers to change their ingame names.
I understand your frustration and do agree, but if you look at the other side of the coin, in reality it is not the exploiters fault as is, is it.
Its a bug that Massive did not see or catered for thus someone is getting rich in gear because of the flaw of the program.
So in essence the exploiter found a bug and uses for ill gains.
I think the best thing massive can do is monitor this much more closely and act quicker than waiting a week or two.
Maybe they should "close the event" that they found the exploit and cater for it much quicker as whats they are doing now.
MagicDude4Eva
Banned
I must say it is funny how a lot of HE player dont know to run past the first wave and past the snipers in Lincoln tunnel
I actually changed my strategy and I find it now quicker to just kill the first two sections (especially the snipers). It seems that after the Incursion patch enemies (especially those 3 snipers) also run to the tunnel and most annoyingly they snipe you in the back while you are busy taking out the guys protecting them. I then find myself as the only person killing the snipers while still having to avoid the grenades. Clearing the first 2 sections makes it a lot easier.
Now the only gripes with Lincoln Tunnel is: (1) People killing everyone during the 2min timer and thus respawning one wave after the next - not really an issue, but there is also no reward killing enemies for 2mins, so why not just wait? (2) People getting sniped in the 2nd wave or rushing at the 3rd wave and then moaning to be revived in some impossible to reach area.
That's funny. I learned over the weekend that on PC (Steam only?) people can change their names. I saw one video where the one guy changed his name literally to "Hackerz_SOMENUMBER" and by the sounds of it, once you change the name they can not block you - true?
I honestly don't care if people farm / exploit the game to get better gear. We did this with Destiny (Crota / Icebreaker, VoG pushing Atheon off the cliff or in PoE) but in those instances the reward was small (you still spent 1-2 hours in a Raid and where subjected to RNG). There was never a glitch (other than the famous Loot cave) where people could quickly enrich themselves and then have an unfair advantage elsewhere in the game.
In Division players are disadvantaged as soon as they hit the darkzone as it is PvP and a cheater's gear-/weapon advantage directly affects the outcome of your encounter. In Destiny for example level-advantages/gear-advantages are disabled in most PvP scenarios (except some specific PvP events such as Iron Banner or Trials of Osiris) but you will stand a fair chance even in those competitive maps against higher-levelled players. In the Division I stand ZERO chance against players in the DZ (prior to the Incursion I struggled against rogues, but now I don't even put up a fight as their overpowered gear ruins me).
With the above (and then also adding our local latency of 100-200ms) it makes it impossible to be competitive and gameplay in the DZ is just unfair. As much as I got bored with Destiny and their ever changing "You can now grind to light-level ### by doing A, B and C", I do enjoy the Iron Banner events as even a guardian with a low-light level will have a fair chance against a higher-geared player and they only advantage a higher-geared player has is perhaps more skill/experience with the game (i.e. utilise the maps and load out).
I enjoy PVE in Division and despise being forced into a specific game-style (read=dark-zone slaughter house) to get higher-end gear in order to be able to play future content. I think it must be extremely tough for new players to get going (you get kicked off Incursion/DZ/challengemode, because your gearscore is too low - i.e. < 180) - very similar to the Destiny elitists ("Uh, you need to have Gallahorn, Icebreaker and Fatebringer and then also need to be a Warlock to play with us").
I am starting to regret having bought the seasonpass for the game. Incursion is just not that interesting that I would want to spend 30-50 minutes huddling together in a corner spamming supers (and probably some similar turtle-technique for challenge mode). I rather enjoy playing the existing missions on hard / challenging and although a bit repetitive, it is more enjoyable than being stuck in a corner. This is also the reason why I would not exploit/hack the game - spamming sticky bombs at an APC due to an out-of-map glitch for 30-40 minutes is not the type of achievement I seek to get from a game.
I personally find that the game lacks balance in difficulty: Play Russian Consulate/Watergate vs any of the other challenge missions and you will see what I mean. When you play Lexington and a shotgunner can take down 2/3 of your health without a direct line of sight across the room or a grenadier can lob a grenade at you at impossible angles, it would then also be my expectation that I can one-shot kill a guy when I stand in front of him. The same with snipers - a Lincoln Tunnel CM sniper drops my health to 1 bar with one shot, but my perfect M1A headshot will just take one piece of armor off.
MagicDude4Eva
Banned
They should have removed the shield when the first out-of-map hacks surfaced. The only right thing to do is to identify the exploiters and then reset their accounts and progress to a time before the exploits happen. I don't know why Massive/Ubi is not able to do this (some say that this will churn their playerbase).
There is a difference in what an exploit of game-mechanics vs a cheat/hack is, especially when it comes to rewards gained:
- In Destiny during Crota hard-mode we exploited mechanics where enemies despawned, killed ourselves and then resurrected to shortcut one phase of the raid.
- Another Destiny exploit was pushing the end-boss Atheon off the platform by inflicting enough damage.
- Another was the under-map SABER strike where at the beginning of the strike you could avoid mobs by going under the map
All of the above still required a substantial amount of game-play and going through various phases of the raid and it exploited some mechanics by going out of map or despawning mobs. In none of them it dramatically shortened the raid nor did it produce a guaranteed outcome/reward (there were many instances during Crota HM where at the boss the team could not swordbear/kill Crota).
In none of those exploits did the player actually gain an unfair advantage over other players - i.e. there was no guaranteed set of gear. The only reason why most of us used the despawn exploit was so that we could re-run the challenge 3 times a week in the hope to get a specific piece of armor or weapon which would not drop anywhere else and was mostly cosmetic.
A cheat/hack - like changing game-files, lag-switching, disconnecting the game to get a 240-level drop or going out of map / using shield to repeat bosses as many times as possible are cheats - you bypass the majority of a mission/difficulty to gain rewards which advantage you against other players.
I won't argue that point because it's how I initially felt about it when the first exploits (bulletking, Phoenix numbers etc) were patched.
Let me first admit my fault here. I have not read the T&C's
So I do not know whether this was an update Massive/Ubi made or whether it was there from the onset, but in a tweet that some players took very harshly, Massive basically said they need to take a harder stance against exploiters as it's against their T&C's.
All I'm really looking for is a sign of good faith from Massive. Hackers will be banned, exploiters will have accounts rolled back, repeat exploiters will be temp, then permanently banned.
Something along those lines. Keep it fair for the majority.
medicnick83
Paramedic
From my experience, the amount of hackers / cheaters is definately decreased from what it was... Last night I (we) encountered 2, this afternoon encountered 1.
Not like a few weeks ago where it was almost ALL the time.
I think if they can prove it, no 2 / 3 day bans - PERMO bans! It will set a president in "online games" that you cannot be allowed to do that.
Don't want to play buy the rules of the game, don't get the game!
Not like a few weeks ago where it was almost ALL the time.
I think if they can prove it, no 2 / 3 day bans - PERMO bans! It will set a president in "online games" that you cannot be allowed to do that.
Don't want to play buy the rules of the game, don't get the game!
MagicDude4Eva
Banned
I think it is probably more a case of people being bored. Cheaters/Hackers are more visible in the DZ, but if they frequently swop servers you will not notice it. Just now on PS4 DZ6 there were about 10 rogues camping out at two entrances killing people as they entered.
I think most glitchers moved on to Incursion and are busy sticky-bombing the APC.
crackersa
Honorary Master
Not a teal drop after patch?
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MagicDude4Eva
Banned
Read this on Reddit
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I don't think I would want to glitch to gear out. Just feels wrong.
Quoted for truth, the 'stairway to heaven' method completely bypasses all combat
Acid0
Executive Member
Now see that is just wrong.
I get what you say and it is actually true they need to roll the stats back if they can proof that you exploited.
But it always comes down to morality, You and I know it is wrong so we dont do it.
The other spectrum thinks hey gears for no effort bargain.
Me personally I would rather work for good gear and do it myself with help if need be.
But at least personally I can feel better about getting that one good gear.
I also think in the long run you will play longer than the exploiter will as he will tank out quickly and then get bored as there is nothing else to do anymore
Acid0
Executive Member
Do as much side missions as possible then you will rank up quicker and get some loot that is a bit decent.
Finding missing agent info also help and is pretty easy to do. The chances that you will have a major encounter trying to locate the missing info is practically zero anyway.
Then when you are done there welcome to the DZ where everything starts all over.
MagicDude4Eva
Banned
Quoted for truth, the 'stairway to heaven' method completely bypasses all combat
Not true - you still have to take out the first set of drones and 5 purples before descending
I tried it over the weekend (I was more interested in seeing how it works - and the combo of shield and emptying pistol was just a WTF-moment for me - who figures this even out?) but then quit as I was not going to sticky-bomb some orange rectangle for an hour.
When seeing how it works, it makes me wonder how many other exploits are out there which are not in the wild.
Ran Lincoln CM yesterday and was surprised to see that a random with gear-score 53 joined (not sure how this was even possible, as I would think that he could never be lvl30 - or?). Either way, the guy did really well and after the boss I dropped my HE/purples from him (was a PITA as other players wanted to take it - so that loot-sharing is complete crap) - I am sure it made him happy and his GS got to 130 or so (he was so thankful, that he dropped a blue in return, which out of politeness I picked up and then shredded).
BTW: Not an exploit, but a convenient trick I found to do the daily crafting mission (seems to work for anything): Buy yourself a "recalibrateable" green (costs about 12-14K) and then re-calibrate (each costs about 1K). Each recalibrate counts toward one crafting step. Why I do it: I am hoping that Massive will adjust those the number of matts it takes to craft higher matts (i.e. 15 matts for 1 blue?) - so I am piling up green/blue and the only HE I get are now from salvaging HE drops.
Question: I am always short on electronics and have tons of other matts. Anyone else experience this? Massive should really also drop electronics when salvaging (I don't think they do - or?)
I am looking forward to entering the DZ. Haven't gone there yet
Not true - you still have to take out the first set of drones and 5 purples before descending
I tried it over the weekend (I was more interested in seeing how it works - and the combo of shield and emptying pistol was just a WTF-moment for me - who figures this even out?) but then quit as I was not going to sticky-bomb some orange rectangle for an hour.
When seeing how it works, it makes me wonder how many other exploits are out there which are not in the wild.
Ran Lincoln CM yesterday and was surprised to see that a random with gear-score 53 joined (not sure how this was even possible, as I would think that he could never be lvl30 - or?).
I don't understand how someone thinks, let me place cover at the top of a ladder, climb down, then perform a whole bunch of random movements and see if the game glitches....
Regarding the low geared guy, he's probably just a fresh 30. Had that with the friend I've been helping level. We wanted to do the incursion but he was GS 34 (mostly non-level 30 gear that doesn't carry a GS).
medicnick83
Paramedic
medicnick83
Paramedic
Deconstruct "mods" there is more than enough of these...