The Elections Thread - 7 May 2014

Which party you will vote for in the 2014 election?

  • ANC

    Votes: 13 2.8%

  • DA

    Votes: 379 81.9%

  • COPE

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • EFF

    Votes: 14 3.0%

  • FF+

    Votes: 13 2.8%

  • IFP

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • NFP

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • ACDP

    Votes: 5 1.1%

  • AGANG

    Votes: 8 1.7%

  • Other

    Votes: 27 5.8%
  • Total voters
    463
Wezzy777 said:
May I ask what DA policies specifically you don't agree with?

The DA is a lot better than the alternatives IMO. Each to his own, but I would give the DA a chance they have done a lot of good in the Cape and continue to do so.
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Flogging a dead horse here. It is our constitutional right to vote for whomever we like, and there appears to be a tendency this year especially from DA supporters to criticize everybody else. That's no way to win votes. If the DA is the better party people will change their votes to the DA themselves.
 
Wezzy777 said:
May I ask what DA policies specifically you don't agree with?

The DA is a lot better than the alternatives IMO. Each to his own, but I would give the DA a chance they have done a lot of good in the Cape and continue to do so.
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Pretty much all of them. The DA policies resemble that of the ANC in most respects and I dont believe those policies are the right ones to begin with. The country needs new ideas and not better ways to manage current policies IMO.

But to be specific, take education for example, IMO their approach is to manage the teachers better and revise carriculum to something of that effect. My belief is that a total overhaul is needed that should start with the immediate increasing of the pass rate for example.

I believe BEE is not working and needs to be either scrapped or a sunset clause put on it. The DA says they can manage the current one better, even though somehow they want to remove measurements. Dont know how you measure performance without a target in any job, but thats how they wanna do it.

Affirmative Action should stay though, our economy is not transformed by any stretch of the imagination.

Land reform too should stay, but not in the hands of the ANC. And seeing as though the DA prefers to redistribute state owned land and not land that was forcefully taken in the past and sold to private landowners, I dont trust them either with land reform.

From a policy perspective that covers my major ones. From how they conduct themselves, they seem to me to not be sincere and often get caught out where camps within then are evident and another one is that they say merit should count more in jobs and not race and yet in their structures, they are happy to bring in inexperianced people of color as and when it suits them IMO
 
ghoti said:
Most of the supporters I know are rural, down to earth black people trying to make a better country. I would hardly call them arrogant. Are you still basing your judgement on the 2009 elections? In most parts of the country the DA has more than doubled in size... and that support has not come from white people.

I guess some people are still stuck in the past.

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If you look at almost every major DA event over the last year or two, you will see that white people are a minority at a lot of these events.
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Whether they're black or white, a lot of DA voters are blatantly arrogant about voting DA and criticise anyone who does not. Although the arrogance is definitely more prevalent amongst the overprivileged whiteys.
 
Wezzy777 said:
How I see the results of this poll.

DA - 152 Votes (Glad to see we have so many rational minded people on this forum with the country’s best intentions at heart)
EFF and ANC - 8 Votes (Still stumped anyone can vote for the ANC after all the blatant corruption that is exposed daily. EFF is just a racist organisation that will kill this country. So we have 8 complete morons in this forum IMO, don't really care if you disagree)

The rest of the parties are irrelevant, I wish that people would realise voting for these tiny parties who aren’t going to win is not what we need right now, we need a strong opposition to the ANC and DA is pretty much the only hope.

I have a feeling that the people voting FF+, Agang ect. do so because they are probably annoyed with the DA because perhaps they did something that you don't agree with but I think people need to give the DA a chance. IMO right now they are our only hope of saving this country.
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I hate this line of thinking. It seems like the DA really wants to country to be about only the ANC and DA. I see it on this forum, with the 'vote DA or you're a retard' approach. I see how other parties are called useless. Most of all, Zille's plan to use constituency based voting, instead of proportional representation. That will be the single biggest step to killing other parties.
 
sox63 said:
Pretty much all of them. The DA policies resemble that of the ANC in most respects and I dont believe those policies are the right ones to begin with. The country needs new ideas and not better ways to manage current policies IMO.

But to be specific, take education for example, IMO their approach is to manage the teachers better and revise carriculum to something of that effect. My belief is that a total overhaul is needed that should start with the immediate increasing of the pass rate for example.

I believe BEE is not working and needs to be either scrapped or a sunset clause put on it. The DA says they can manage the current one better, even though somehow they want to remove measurements. Dont know how you measure performance without a target in any job, but thats how they wanna do it.

Affirmative Action should stay though, our economy is not transformed by any stretch of the imagination.

Land reform too should stay, but not in the hands of the ANC. And seeing as though the DA prefers to redistribute state owned land and not land that was forcefully taken in the past and sold to private landowners, I dont trust them either with land reform.

From a policy perspective that covers my major ones. From how they conduct themselves, they seem to me to not be sincere and often get caught out where camps within then are evident and another one is that they say merit should count more in jobs and not race and yet in their structures, they are happy to bring in inexperianced people of color as and when it suits them IMO
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I agree with you on this. DA's policies are just minor changed to the ANC, only the DA is much less corrupt and more performance driven.
 
cr@zydude said:
I hate this line of thinking. It seems like the DA really wants to country to be about only the ANC and DA. I see it on this forum, with the 'vote DA or you're a retard' approach. I see how other parties are called useless. Most of all, Zille's plan to use constituency based voting, instead of proportional representation. That will be the single biggest step to killing other parties.
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This is pretty much why most countries in the world have a duocracy (?), which doesn't really contribute to a true democratic society. They convince the voters that voting for anyone else is a wasted vote, twist the rules and gerrymander to ensure a third party cannot possibly enter the fray, and take turns at power.

The libdems faced the same problem in the UK for decades, until people were fed up by both ruling parties and ended up being kingmakers in the last election. While the coalition hasn't really worked out for them, they have been able to institute some change in government policy.

The point is, if you are unhappy with the ruling party, you don't have to vote for the 2nd party whose policies you don't agree with, and you aren't an idiot for voting for a smaller party. You must vote though, if only to reduce the majority of the big boys and their bully supporters
 
2012 said:
I agree with you on this. DA's policies are just minor changed to the ANC, only the DA is much less corrupt and more performance driven.
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They have less opportunity to be corrupt given that they control only one of nine provinces. The same applies to performance.
 
imranpanji said:
This is pretty much why most countries in the world have a duocracy (?), which doesn't really contribute to a true democratic society. They convince the voters that voting for anyone else is a wasted vote, twist the rules and gerrymander to ensure a third party cannot possibly enter the fray, and take turns at power.

The libdems faced the same problem in the UK for decades, until people were fed up by both ruling parties and ended up being kingmakers in the last election. While the coalition hasn't really worked out for them, they have been able to institute some change in government policy.

The point is, if you are unhappy with the ruling party, you don't have to vote for the 2nd party whose policies you don't agree with, and you aren't an idiot for voting for a smaller party. You must vote though, if only to reduce the majority of the big boys and their bully supporters
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I love our proportional representation set up. It means that every vote really does count. It takes only 0.25% to get a seat in the National Assembly, in the last election that was 36 000 votes.
 
Redeemed said:
They have less opportunity to be corrupt given that they control only one of nine provinces. The same applies to performance.
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They also don't hold majority, so they can't afford to be fat and lazy.
 
*flame suit on, check, running shoes on, check, laces properly tied, check*

Just been looking at the results thus far. See there is around 8% planning on voting for 'Other' parties. Not my place to tell people who to vote for but seriously? Our current government has clearly shown that it's unable to govern this country in the way it should be done. They cannot be removed from power, not this time round, but one can ensure that the decisions made are made under proper scrutiny from an opposition who can and will actually do something about it i.e. vote against things that are inherently not good for the country.

The balance of power needs to be shifted to a point where both parties have to be in agreement before something can be passed. This can and will only happen if there is a strong opposition party in place.

Personally I'll be voting for the DA. There are many things they do and say which I do not like and I cannot wait for a 'true' opposition party to see the light of day. However, with that said, at this stage they are the only true alternative for me personally and what is worrying for me is that so many (almost 10%) of the 'educated' people on this forum do not see it the same way [yes I know this poll is light-years away from the real world but still].

For me its all about trying to get the balance of power right and then to take it from there. I believe that this will benefit the smaller parties even more as their vote will actually start to mean something. They will essentially become the 'swing votes' and will thus play a far more active role than they are doing now. I also believe that they will only truly become parties of note once this balance in power has been shifted and who knows, one of them might become the leading party in another election of three.

So yes, the DA wants a nanny state and yes they want to tell you what you may and may not do but this election is about so much more than having a party in place that pleases your every need and or desire.

*click enter and start running*
 
MKFrost said:
*flame suit on, check, running shoes on, check, laces properly tied, check*

Just been looking at the results thus far. See there is around 8% planning on voting for 'Other' parties. Not my place to tell people who to vote for but seriously? Our current government has clearly shown that it's unable to govern this country in the way it should be done. They cannot be removed from power, not this time round, but one can ensure that the decisions made are made under proper scrutiny from an opposition who can and will actually do something about it i.e. vote against things that are inherently not good for the country.
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Other probably means unable to vote, not eligible to vote, or too lazy to vote. (most will probably be the latter).
 
Wyzak said:
Other probably means unable to vote, not eligible to vote, or too lazy to vote. (most will probably be the latter).
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Think my flame suit starved me of oxygen as I never thought of it that way, just saw other and assumed it meant other parties....
 
Hogwash, the DA want to bring back apartheid and the grope areas act again. That's why I'm voting for ANC like I did last election.
 
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