The Elections Thread - 7 May 2014

Which party you will vote for in the 2014 election?

  • ANC

    Votes: 13 2.8%

  • DA

    Votes: 379 81.9%

  • COPE

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • EFF

    Votes: 14 3.0%

  • FF+

    Votes: 13 2.8%

  • IFP

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • NFP

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • ACDP

    Votes: 5 1.1%

  • AGANG

    Votes: 8 1.7%

  • Other

    Votes: 27 5.8%
  • Total voters
    463
I was planning to vote Dagga Party, until one IFP member negated their entire manifesto by selfishly claiming it for himself.
I mean, what? Is he dying or something? :whistle:

(But seriously. I think what he did was a very honorable act, a worthy legacy)
Probably vote DA. Don't trust them one bit (Yes, I see through you, Nast), but I'm not apathetic enough to not vote.
 
biometrics said:
And the DA can impact policy?
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In the Western Cape, yup. Theyre the most likely to impact change out of all the political parties. The buggers in Jozi might also get a DA government if theyre lucky enough. What I would give for a functional government. You peeps in WC are spoilt. Come spend a weekend down here.
 
biometrics said:
Not going back 200 posts. It's your question not mine, ask it or shut up about it.
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... :erm: Thats what I did the last time you asked.... my word.... You ignored it the 2nd time I asked even after you asked me to ask again....

Are you not paying attention so much that I now have to ask it a 3rd time? :confused:
 
ghoti said:
... :erm: Thats what I did the last time you asked.... my word.... You ignored it the 2nd time I asked even after you asked me to ask again....

Are you not paying attention so much that I now have to ask it a 3rd time? :confused:
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Go for it, try not to write lots of paragraphs.
 
ghoti said:
R13 was complaining about the nanny policies, to which OrbitalDawn asked:





To which I responded. What other nanny laws? There must be a lot the way you and R13 go one, so I wanna know the complete list so I can investigate.

Right now the only two reasons I have really seen in this thread to not vote DA are:

1) Boozers cant always get their booze when they want to
2) DA spam

My vote is based on issues like health, crime, access to education, dealing with corruption, addressing inequality, etc etc. But I can see how some people can base their vote on issues like getting spam.... or wanting more booze.

I guess people for vote for different reasons.
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Wow one really needs to look carefully to find your question!

Why are you asking me anyway? Ask R13. I haven't claimed other "nanny laws" other than the liquor law. I call this a nanny state though.
 
ghoti said:
In the Western Cape, yup. Theyre the most likely to impact change out of all the political parties. The buggers in Jozi might also get a DA government if theyre lucky enough. What I would give for a functional government. You peeps in WC are spoilt. Come spend a weekend down here.
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Guess it's a start but National is what counts.
 
shogun said:
So if you have to put the FF+ side by side with the DA, and evaluate them on all their points (both good and bad), average them out and then make a decision... would you really still vote FF+?

Perhaps that's just how I like to evaluate things... I know that no party will fit my criteria 100%, but instead of looking at the one or two issues I don't agree with (especially when they are petty issues), I judge the party on the bigger picture, and include a bunch of different criteria.

On another note... do you have a cellphone? Every cellular provider has over the years done exactly the same thing in terms of cold calling. Should I throw away my Cell C phone because they called me that one time to ask me if I want a cellphone contract and I didn't want them to? Should I get rid of my gym contract as well, or vow never to use products X Y and Z because someone stuffed up in their direct marketing campaign?

Grow up a little.
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I had every intention of voting for the DA, and then came the AGANG stuff-up where the DA failed to prepare properly and take the necessary steps. Then came the DA spam campaign. So I'm voting for the second best option and that's the FF+.

I don't see the AGANG merger stuff-up as a small issue. I see it as a major failure from the DA where they also showed that they won't hold anybody accountable, just like the ANC.

ghoti said:
An unheard of party gets a seat in parliament... now what? What can you do with a seat? How are you going to impact policy with 1 seat? The DA even with its numbers gets sidelined most of the time.
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That's one seat that the ANC doesn't have. There are only 400 odd seats, so add a few of these single seat parties together and they can do something.

biometrics said:
And the DA can impact policy?
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Exactly. Saying a party with 1 vote is pointless, is equivalent to saying that the DA's 100 seats in a 400 parliament house is pointless.
 
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biometrics said:
Wow one really needs to look carefully to find your question!
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Yeah, its not like most of that post was centered around your question and started off with you asking about it....

Why are you asking me anyway? Ask R13. I haven't claimed other "nanny laws" other than the liquor law. I call this a nanny state though.
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I thought there were many "nanny state" issues. Im trying to understand them. Its a little hard with a lack of detail.

The only one that has been presented is on the availability of booze. An issue I sympathize with and will always vote against. Unfortunately I dont live in Cape Town so I cant vote on the issue. The thing about democracy is you dont always get what you want. Most of the time it works but sometimes it sucks. Personally I stand with most liberals on the issue and believe that prohibition like that does not work and adds to crime. Most of the youth in the DA are of a similar mind. Some issues are generational.
 
Ah, COPE. Remember in the last election how aggressively some people sang their praises?

Now 0 votes on this forum.

Eish.
 
Greylor said:
Ah, COPE. Remember in the last election how aggressively some people sang their praises?

Now 0 votes on this forum.

Eish.
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Yeah, COPE is dead. I so wasted my last vote :( We have COPE members joining our local branches here by the droves.
 
Next election we will say the same thing about the EFF.
 
ghoti said:
An unheard of party gets a seat in parliament... now what? What can you do with a seat? How are you going to impact policy with 1 seat? The DA even with its numbers gets sidelined most of the time.
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Well, they can actually. Thanks to minority parties' work in Parliament they're now allowed to introduce bills without it having to be approved by the ANC first. And sometimes when parties vote along party lines, these minority MPs are often the swing vote. And sometimes it's good for debate purposes to have someone who isn't from the bigger parties as a kind of counter balance. For example: I'd have liked a Libertarian Party MP to counter the twaddle the EFF MPs are likely to spew at every opportunity.

biometrics said:
And the DA can impact policy?
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Yep.

Wyzak said:
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I had every intention of voting for the DA, and then came the AGANG stuff-up where the DA failed to prepare properly and take the necessary steps. Then came the DA spam campaign. So I'm voting for the second best option and that's the FF+.

I don't see the AGANG merger stuff-up as a small issue. I see it as a major failure from the DA where they also showed that they won't hold anybody accountable, just like the ANC.
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Hold someone accountable for what? It was a political opportunity and a gamble that didn't pay off. They didn't betray their policy position, screw up in government, sweep a massive scandal under the rug or anything huge. I think you're over-reacting. Besides, it appears as if it was Ramphele who reneged on her own word, not the DA.

Wyzak said:
That's one seat that the ANC doesn't have. There are only 400 odd seats, so add a few of these single seat parties together and they can do something.
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Unless they vote with the ANC, like the IFP in KZN who will vote with the ANC on increasing taxpayer money being spent on the Zulu King and his wives and their palaces.

Wyzak said:
Exactly. Saying a party with 1 vote is pointless, is equivalent to saying that the DA's 100 seats in a 400 parliament house is pointless.
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lol, no. Just no.

ghoti said:
I thought there were many "nanny state" issues. Im trying to understand them. Its a little hard with a lack of detail.

The only one that has been presented is on the availability of booze. An issue I sympathize with and will always vote against. Unfortunately I dont live in Cape Town so I cant vote on the issue. The thing about democracy is you dont always get what you want. Most of the time it works but sometimes it sucks. Personally I stand with most liberals on the issue and believe that prohibition like that does not work and adds to crime. Most of the youth in the DA are of a similar mind. Some issues are generational.
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I don't get it. For all the moaning about how nanny state they are you'd think someone would be able to give us examples? :confused:

And that liquor law was replaced with a more reasonable one, btw, and then when the local Woolies doesn't make use of the new times the DA still gets blamed and accused of making it impossible...

Given the issues facing the country and the starkly different performance on these issues between the ANC and the DA I find the objections to the DA to be staggeringly petty. At least the ones presented so far.
 
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OrbitalDawn said:
Hold someone accountable for what? It was a political opportunity and a gamble that didn't pay off. They didn't betray their policy position, screw up in government, sweep a massive scandal under the rug or anything huge. I think you're over-reacting. Besides, it appears as if it was Ramphele who reneged on her own word, not the DA.
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I agree that Ramphele is also at fault, but I was never going to vote for AGANG. The fact remains that the DA did not do it's homework properly. They should have had the merger cast in stone before announcing it. The way it came out was "Oh we were discussing a merger over tea last night, and we just decided to go for it". That's unacceptable on an announcement of this scale and the impact that it would have had. Somebody needs to be held responsible in the DA for not ensuring that the above was done before announcing the deal. Hell Ramphele wasn't even a member of the DA, and she can't be a presidential candidate without being a member according to the DA's constitution. That's an incredibly basic step which apparently nobody in the party foresaw.
 
Wyzak said:
I agree that Ramphele is also at fault, but I was never going to vote for AGANG. The fact remains that the DA did not do it's homework properly. They should have had the merger cast in stone before announcing it. The way it came out was "Oh we were discussing a merger over tea last night, and we just decided to go for it". That's unacceptable on an announcement of this scale and the impact that it would have had. Somebody needs to be held responsible in the DA for not ensuring that the above was done before announcing the deal. Hell Ramphele wasn't even a member of the DA, and she can't be a presidential candidate without being a member according to the DA's constitution. That's an incredibly basic step which apparently nobody in the party foresaw.
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She said she was joining as a member. How were they supposed to know she would go back on her word? But I agree with you, it was handled poorly. I still don't think it's enough to disqualify them from getting my vote, though. No one else has done anything remotely close enough to warrant my vote more than they have, and I'm not myopic enough to not vote.
 
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