The F-35 thread

This is why they dont show us the tech they are actually developing , people would say meh whats time travel useful for if they already bombed us , what good are mechs if tanks are smaller and blah blah blah , its an advancement in on the field tech , get over it
 
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I took this picture as she flew over my office last year for flight trials prior to the Farnborough Airshow.

I am no fan, but she is a pretty bird!

She will get there, just find the delays and downgrading of capabilities frustrating. While oppurtunity at investing in a highly capable drone fighter/attack force is squandered.
 
An operational AV-8B will murder an operational F-35 today since they are still flight testing the software that allows it to use weapons (Block 3F). Those 200 delivered aircraft are nice toys at the moment.

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im surpised the russians havent been blamed for hacking this planes software yet
 
Blu82 said:
An operational AV-8B will murder an operational F-35 today since they are still flight testing the software that allows it to use weapons (Block 3F). Those 200 delivered aircraft are nice toys at the moment.

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Yes. Testing planned to start around August 2018?
 
buka001 said:
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I took this picture as she flew over my office last year for flight trials prior to the Farnborough Airshow.

I am no fan, but she is a pretty bird!

She will get there, just find the delays and downgrading of capabilities frustrating. While oppurtunity at investing in a highly capable drone fighter/attack force is squandered.
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and to me it is arguably the fugliest thing ever to make it into the sky in the modern era.
Lots more dollars till she is ready no doubt, as with many many other programs that have gone before that have pretty much all overrun their initial budgets.
 
Blu82 said:
An operational AV-8B will murder an operational F-35 today since they are still flight testing the software that allows it to use weapons (Block 3F). Those 200 delivered aircraft are nice toys at the moment.

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Yeah, that's why the USMC are scrapping 2 squadrons a year having started with the Harriers because the f35 would be murdered by a Harrier.

I mean, all those Marine pilots are just suicidal kamikazes who want to die in their first glorious conflict.

Tora Tora Tora Banzai!!!!!

Föck me, you are delusional...
 
tech that you dont even know the beginning of , still better than what is around , yes f16's/etc do the job very well but this will do it better , maybe not the % better they originally claimed but if you would like to question its efficiency then offer your home to be tested as a target .
 
@blu82

See if you can find another jet that can do this:

In a test at the White Sands Missile Range this week, an unmodified US Marine Corps F-35B fighter successfully acted as an airborne spotter for the Navy's Aegis Weapon System, locking onto and passing targeting information for an "over the horizon" threat to a Standard 6 missile. The missile, launched by the USS Desert Ship—a US Navy ground facility at White Sands that emulates an Aegis-equipped cruiser or guided missile destroyer—"successfully detected and engaged the target," according to a statement issued by the Navy's Program Executive Office-Integrated Warfare Systems.

The test showed that all F-35 fighters can connect into the Navy's current version of the Naval Integrated Fire Control-Counter Air (NIFC-CA) network architecture. What that means is that the radar systems aboard the F-35s now making their way out to the Marine Corps and Navy will be able to act as extensions of Navy ships, allowing them to pass targeting data on incoming aircraft, drones, and cruise or ballistic missiles to Ticonderoga-class cruisers and Arleigh Burke class destroyers, who can then in turn push a button and launch an SM6 (also known as the RIM-174 Standard Extended Range Active Missile)—a missile with an effective range of up to 250 nautical miles (460 kilometers, 290 miles)—to take out the threat. Additionally, the same integration could allow the F-35 to target ships and other surface targets for missile strikes from an Aegis ship.

Aegis is the weapon system first deployed in the 1980s aboard the USS Ticonderoga. It is the backbone of the surface Navy's air and missile defense capabilities, originally developed to work with the giant SPY-1 phased-array radar systems deployed aboard the Ticonderoga and its sister ships. But Aegis' software has been gradually extended to take in targeting information from a broad collection of other sources and has even been adapted for ballistic missile defense, including a current land-based Aegis system in Romania and a future "Aegis Ashore" ballistic missile defense site in Poland.

Hooking up with Aegis is a good thing for the F-35—especially the Marines' F-35B—because it means the Marines can save their own missiles and bombs (which on the vertical take-off and landing F-35B are in very tight supply). "This test represents the start of our exploration into the interoperability of the F-35B with other naval assets," said Lt. Col. Richard Rusnok of Marine Corps Operational Test and Evaluation Squadron 1 (VMX-1), the officer in charge of the squadron's F-35B detachment. "We believe the F-35B will drastically increase the situational awareness and lethality of the naval forces with which it will deploy in the very near future."
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http://arstechnica.co.uk/informatio...-a-kill-sort-of-with-a-navy-launched-missile/
 
Dave123 said:
Yeah, that's why the USMC are scrapping 2 squadrons a year having started with the Harriers because the f35 would be murdered by a Harrier.

I mean, all those Marine pilots are just suicidal kamikazes who want to die in their first glorious conflict.

Tora Tora Tora Banzai!!!!!

Föck me, you are delusional...
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While I agree the F-35 is vastly superior to the Harrier, its just not quiet there yet, in terms of offensive capabilities. Lacks the full software to do so.

It is why Harriers are bombing ISIS and not any F-35's.

Right this minute a Harrier can load up with 9200lbs of weapons. The F-35B?

2x1000lb JDAMs and 2x AMRAAMS.

It can only use an Aim-9x from 2018 onwards. A Harrier can use one right now. Did so very well in the Falklands in 1982.

The F-35B will only be able to carry 4 instead of 8 SDB's. This is only expected. Around 2022. 5 years from now.

How far will SAM technology have developed by then?
 
buka001 said:
I mentioned it earlier, but one of the weakest links is its range.

At only 600 miles for A version, realistically it only has around 200miles of operational distance because the tankers have to be outside of the range of the S-400 SAM systems.

A good article describing the logitical limitations here - http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/7012/the-air-force-desperately-needs-a-stealth-tanker
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F/A 18
Range: 1,089 nmi (1,250 miles, 2,000 km) with only two AIM-9s
Combat radius: 400 nmi (460 mi (740 km)) on air-air mission

F/A 18 Super Hornet
Range: 1,275 nmi (2,346 km) clean plus two AIM-9s
Combat radius 390 nmi (449 mi, 722 km) for interdiction mission

F16
Combat radius 340 mi (295 nmi, 550 km) on a hi-lo-hi mission with four 1,000 lb (450 kg) bombs

F35
Range: >1,200 nmi (2,220 km) on internal fuel
Combat radius: 625 nmi (1,158 km) interdiction mission on internal fuel, 760 nmi (1,407 km) for internal air to air configuration


Maybe that's why the pilots disagree with you ;)
 
Range you specified is loaded with what for the F-35? Also two AIM-9's?
 
An E-2D Advanced Hawkeye did it in 2009 as the basis for the system the F-35 uses.

The E-2D's first flight occurred on 3 August 2007.[12] On 8 May 2009, an E-2D used its Cooperative Engagement Capability system to engage an overland cruise missile with a Standard Missile SM-6 fired from another platform in an integrated fire-control system test.[13] These two systems will form the basis of the Naval Integrated Fire Control – Counter Air (NIFC-CA) when fielded in 2015; the USN is investigating adding other systems to the NIFC-CA network in the future.[14]
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Dave123 said:
@blu82

See if you can find another jet that can do this:





http://arstechnica.co.uk/informatio...-a-kill-sort-of-with-a-navy-launched-missile/
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Dave123 said:
F/A 18
Range: 1,089 nmi (1,250 miles, 2,000 km) with only two AIM-9s
Combat radius: 400 nmi (460 mi (740 km)) on air-air mission

F/A 18 Super Hornet
Range: 1,275 nmi (2,346 km) clean plus two AIM-9s
Combat radius 390 nmi (449 mi, 722 km) for interdiction mission

F16
Combat radius 340 mi (295 nmi, 550 km) on a hi-lo-hi mission with four 1,000 lb (450 kg) bombs

F35
Range: >1,200 nmi (2,220 km) on internal fuel
Combat radius: 625 nmi (1,158 km) interdiction mission on internal fuel, 760 nmi (1,407 km) for internal air to air configuration


Maybe that's why the pilots disagree with you ;)
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Source please since the F-16 Block 60 can hit 1025 miles using conformal fuel tanks.

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Dave123 said:
F/A 18
Range: 1,089 nmi (1,250 miles, 2,000 km) with only two AIM-9s
Combat radius: 400 nmi (460 mi (740 km)) on air-air mission

F/A 18 Super Hornet
Range: 1,275 nmi (2,346 km) clean plus two AIM-9s
Combat radius 390 nmi (449 mi, 722 km) for interdiction mission

F16
Combat radius 340 mi (295 nmi, 550 km) on a hi-lo-hi mission with four 1,000 lb (450 kg) bombs

F35
Range: >1,200 nmi (2,220 km) on internal fuel
Combat radius: 625 nmi (1,158 km) interdiction mission on internal fuel, 760 nmi (1,407 km) for internal air to air configuration


Maybe that's why the pilots disagree with you ;)
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On paper the F-35 is fantastic. I believe I will eventually like this plane. When the programme first commenced I was a huge fan, but the constant delays and downgrading of capabilities, shifting of goal posts and quasi-operational status is frustrating.

I was only off the combat range (of the F-35C) by 25nm, not bad for an off the cuff memory. Next time I will google.

The F-35 is still hampered by this. I will convert everything to km for ease of comparison.

Combat range is 1111km. So your tanker (conventional with massive radar signature) has to be located around 555km away from target zone.

Range of S-400 system - 400km. So you only have 150km of space between your safe zone and the combat zone.
Range of S-500 system (likely to be operational 2017) - 500-600km. So the target range of the missile overlaps the zone where your tanker needs to be located.

You can be assured that the enemy will have a fleet of interdiction fighters on that envelope, armed with R-37 missiles with a range of 150-400km, makes it very challenging to arrange your supporting tankers into a safe zone.

No matter how stealthy the F-35 is, its range is limited by its tanker support. A2/AD technology advances far quicker than the developments on the F-35. Any opposing force doesn't need to engage the F-35 or F-22. They just need to go for the tanker and AWACS. This is exactly how the Russian and Chinese Airforces tactics have evolved.

They are simply following Von Clausewitz ... Attack the enemies centre of gravity.
 
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