"The Game Changer" documentary

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Has anyone watched this on Netflix yet? I'd be interested to know if it actually has any effect on anyone who class themselves as a complete carnivore and might prompt them to change their eating habits? I hope people will watch with an open mind rather than the more typical South Africa skepticism that usually greet the subject. Even when watching it I knew there would be a whole lot of people rushing to "debunk" the science, but surely looking at the health and condition of the participants also carries a message of it 's own? If you haven't watched it, comment away, but please watch before offering opinion :)

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Watched it 2 weeks or so ago. Have since been trying a more plant based diet, eating meat and dairy very rarely, like once on weekends. It's been good so far, just remember to get a B12 and iron supplement, I felt a little weak and had headaches before I did.
 
There is not a single thing in any of the 'documentaries' like Game Changers and others that has made me consider going vegan/plant based/vegetarian/etc. I am not necessarily against any specific diet at all but documentaries like these do have my eyes rolling when I hear their 'evidence'. Unfortunately, rightly or wrongly, many are lapping it up without any further consideration but I hope that it works out for them and they 'feel' better with their diet choice.
 
Watched it 2 weeks or so ago. Have since been trying a more plant based diet, eating meat and dairy very rarely, like once on weekends. It's been good so far, just remember to get a B12 and iron supplement, I felt a little weak and had headaches before I did.

I've probably had meat about 4 or 5 times since January this year and then mainly because I'm flying and keep forgetting to order a veggie meal. But I don't take any supplements other than the odd Berroca if I have a hangover :p
 
There is not a single thing in any of the 'documentaries' like Game Changers and others that has made me consider going vegan/plant based/vegetarian/etc. I am not necessarily against any specific diet at all but documentaries like these do have my eyes rolling when I hear their 'evidence'. Unfortunately, rightly or wrongly, many are lapping it up without any further consideration but I hope that it works out for them and they 'feel' better with their diet choice.

I think the point is that the elite plant based athletes on show actually excel in their fields and over ride any science on show, which to be fair many people will argue about depending on their world view. Did you watch it?
 
very good to go few days a week plant based if you have heart or cholesterol problems. The energy is definitely not as long lasting as meat though
 
very good to go few days a week plant based if you have heart or cholesterol problems. The energy is definitely not as long lasting as meat though

I think you need to watch the documentary;)
 
I think the point is that the elite plant based athletes on show actually excel in their fields and over ride any science on show, which to be fair many people will argue about depending on their world view. Did you watch it?

Yes, I watched it, unconvinced that plant based provides any benefit over my current diet.
 
Yes, I watched it, unconvinced that plant based provides any benefit over my current diet.
If you look for evidence that supports your view, you'll find it and your bias will tend towards that. So just keep an open mind and be aware of your biases
 
There is a guy in Aus busy with a carnivore diet (Meat, fish, eggs, salt, water) and also experiencing massive improvements in athletic performance and general well being. Arguments can be made for an against just about any diet if you know where to focus the research.
Going extreme always comes with its ups and downs and not all diets will suite everyone. Our motto is everything in moderation and stick to whole foods. If you cant make it in your kitchen then dont eat it or very much restrict it (Margarine, fancy sauces...)
 
There is a guy in Aus busy with a carnivore diet (Meat, fish, eggs, salt, water) and also experiencing massive improvements in athletic performance and general well being. Arguments can be made for an against just about any diet if you know where to focus the research.
Going extreme always comes with its ups and downs and not all diets will suite everyone. Our motto is everything in moderation and stick to whole foods. If you cant make it in your kitchen then dont eat it or very much restrict it (Margarine, fancy sauces...)
This is what I do. I have seriously reduced meat intake but I do only whole foods as far as possible and everything in moderation!
 
Fillet steak for dinner last night. Beef mince for lunch. Dinner... hmmm... lamb chops I think.

Life is for enjoying. No way I will compromise on the food I enjoy.
 
Fillet steak for dinner last night. Beef mince for lunch. Dinner... hmmm... lamb chops I think.

Life is for enjoying. No way I will compromise on the food I enjoy.

Cool. If you’re happy with your health then power to you.
 
Agree its all about moderation.
I didnt really like how they presented this, especially with cherry picking certain facts and flaunting some high performance athletes. I wonder how many of the worlds best athletes are plant based vs omnivorous

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Agree its all about moderation.
I didnt really like how they presented this, especially with cherry picking certain facts and flaunting some high performance athletes. I wonder how many of the worlds best athletes are plant based vs omnivorous

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Haven't watched the video so won't comment on that, but sure athletes supplement their diets vegetarian, omnivorous or carnivorous with vitamins and minerals to balance their systems.
 
The big problem is it's such a misrepresentation of the science. Layne Norton does an excellent job of breaking down the issues: https://www.biolayne.com/articles/research/the-game-changers-review-a-scientific-analysis/


Has anyone watched this on Netflix yet? I'd be interested to know if it actually has any effect on anyone who class themselves as a complete carnivore ...

My biggest criticism is that actually athletes tend to be genetic freaks. Michael Phelps is a good example, I mean even Carnivore diet proponent Dr. Shawn Baker is a genetic freak, he's much taller than average at the very least. His body gives him an athletic advantage in indoor rowing (much like how strongman Brian Shaw is tall and held an unofficial indoor rowing record). They are athletes regardless of diet, instead of because of diet. Zach Bitter is an example of a very low carb ultra marathon runner, his diet may help (there's science by Dr. Stephen Phinney and Jeff Volek to support this) but he's also probably suited to this sport.

I now mostly follow a meat-based diet with few carbohydrates (mostly coming from yoghurt and milk) and practically no vegetables, I was vegetarian for 7~ years and almost vegan at points. I will say my diet was not perfect and could have been better. I realized my health wasn't good and that morally it was silly (1 Vegan saves a cow every 260~ days based on the caloric needs of the average man but it's ok to kill critters for crop farming? Silly, and the whole environmental argument is flaky). One could even argue I'm more 'vegan' now as I buy most of my meat from a local farm butchery. I started with Keto, it's actually been the first time I had energy to go to gym. No longer hangry, no longer always waking up tired, never bloated and not skinny fat anymore. Everything is even better since I cut fiber, despite what cereal boxes would have you believe (Dr. Paul Mason has some good points on fiber in his youtube talks). There are some pretty remarkable anecdotes on meatheals.com, also interesting to read about Vilhamjur Steffanson...

The vast majority of health improvements seen can be achieved by cutting sugar and inflammatory oils (canola/margarine/soybean oil) from your diet though and that's why people tend to 'feel better' on vegan diets. It's also because to some degree they are mimicking fasting by often quite a large reduction in calories. That's often the initial 'training wheels' issue new vegans have, they simply don't realize they aren't eating enough. Other issues exist such as people not being able to convert beta-carotene to Vitamin A, Lack of Vitamin B12, D3, Creatine (where studies show it has the greatest effect on vegetarians) etc.

One thing I would have liked them to show is how much more food you have to eat as a Vegan. Most vegans are vegan because of ethics/politics rather than health so it's more a cause to convert for the cause than anything else...your health doesn't matter to vegans, in fact vegans rarely often care about farm workers (such as the cashew nut workers). The vegan position on honey is ridiculous too, as it's a similar type of farming method, necessary to produce a wide range of produce including avocados.
 
I watched this movie and I couldn't help but laugh at most of the claims they make. As you have said, plenty of people have already debunked most of the crap they spew in the movie. Here are a few examples:
It is actually quite irresponsible to promote a nutrient deficient diet like this. If you want to follow a vegan diet for ethical reasons (however misguided they might be), then so be it. But surviving on a vegan diet requires a serious amount of careful effort and supplementation to get enough nutrients to live a healthy life.

Funny how they leave out small little details like the example of the Connor McGregor vs. Nate Diaz fight. McGregor was scheduled to fight an opponent at a lower weight class and that opponent pulled out of the fight last minute. Connor was preparing for a fight in the 70kg lightweight class, but then at the last minute had to put on weight to fight Nate in the 77kg welterweight class. That is a jump of two weight classes. Conveniently, they didn’t mention that in their second fight, McGregor beat Nate at 78kg.

The kicker of course, is the fact that the Camerons are heavily invested in a fake meat company, so is Lewis Hamilton and most of the actors in the movie have some sort of commercial interest in promoting veganism.
 
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