The Gauteng E-tolling Thread

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Sinbad said:
Waze rocks. I got from Sandton to the Joburg International Mail centre (at the airport) to Randburg without going under a single scamtree.
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+1. I've been going from Roodepoort/Sandton to Bedfordview last week and this week and not one gantry. I just need a proper phone bracket for the car.
 
MagicDude4Eva said:
^^^ So let me get this straight: How does TMT get access to customer data from PayMyFines? Also - aren't both owned by the same entity and if so why does the one send a legal notice to the other?
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I'm guessing they tapped into the database seeing as that they both are owned by the same company.

Sinbad said:
Waze rocks. I got from Sandton to the Joburg International Mail centre (at the airport) to Randburg without going under a single scamtree.
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Agreed, Waze is pretty amazing. I believe there were many requests for the gantry's to be marked as toll roads so Waze will avoid those sections.

We should do a Waze username thread so people can add each other.
 
Musiclover08 said:
I'm guessing they tapped into the database seeing as that they both are owned by the same company.



Agreed, Waze is pretty amazing. I believe there were many requests for the gantry's to be marked as toll roads so Waze will avoid those sections.

We should do a Waze username thread so people can add each other.
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I've just created a MyBroadband group. Join up!
 
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garp said:
Said Mona: "The obligation to pay a toll does not arise upon you getting an invoice. The signpost on the road tells you that you are now getting on an e-tolled road. Even if we were not to send an invoice, you still need to pay because you must respond to the road sign.

Oh right. So I'll just psychically determine what amount the company vehicles have incurred and SANRAL's charging VAT is somehow legal without a VAT invoice... Bollocks.
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Yes, and one can drive on certain parts (with all the signage warning its a toll road) without passing under a gantry and might not owe anything, but one might not remember clearly where the gantries are and if you passed under any how many you passed under. Invoice is needed for that.
 
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supersunbird said:
Yes, and one can drive on certain parts (with all the signage warning its a toll road) without passing under a gantry and might not owe anything, but one might not remember clearly where the gantries are and if you passed under one and if you passed under any and if so how many you passed under. Invoice is needed for that.
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I guess their answer will be that this is the reason why you must register, but since you are not required by law to register in order to travel on those roads, this doesn't hold up. It doesn't matter what's in the SANRAL Act - if it is just plain illogical it surely can't hold up in court. I'm guessing, though, that it will only be a matter of time before they amend the act to make it outright illegal to travel on the freeway without an e-tag.
 
garp said:
Said Mona: "The obligation to pay a toll does not arise upon you getting an invoice. The signpost on the road tells you that you are now getting on an e-tolled road. Even if we were not to send an invoice, you still need to pay because you must respond to the road sign.

Oh right. So I'll just psychically determine what amount the company vehicles have incurred and SANRAL's charging VAT is somehow legal without a VAT invoice... Bollocks.
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Haai shame..... they are really getting desperate now - FU Mona!
 
garp said:
I guess their answer will be that this is the reason why you must register, but since you are not required by law to register in order to travel on those roads, this doesn't hold up. It doesn't matter what's in the SANRAL Act - if it is just plain illogical it surely can't hold up in court. I'm guessing, though, that it will only be a matter of time before they amend the act to make it outright illegal to travel on the freeway without an e-tag.
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well then they better tag the whole of SA, as Sanral is planning to make most of the roads in Gauteng e-tolling - at some stage we will have to start destroying Sanral property
 
supersunbird said:
Maybe you are confused by the similar names? Fines4U (the complainant) is not PayMyFines.
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I was :-( - mixed Fines4U and PayMyFines up (too much egg-nogg) - but I don't get the Fines4U issue then:

.... It was immediately apparent that TMT Services (Pty) Ltd had gleaned the personal particulars of Mrs Cornelia van Niekerk from a website called PayMyFines.co.za. ....

Yesterday, Fines4U’s lawyers, Dewey Hertzberg Levy Inc. wrote to TMT Services to demand that they cease and desist with the unauthorised use of Mrs van Niekerk’s personal particulars or face court action and today received a reply from TMT Services’ lawyers giving an undertaking that TMT would indeed no longer use any of the personal information held by PayMyFines.co.za.
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I have not read the Star and perhaps I a missing the essential piece of info, but based on the snippet above TMT got Cornelia's details from PayMyFines and now Fines4U wrote to TMT that they should cease using Cornelia's details. So unless Fines4U and PayMyFines are sharing the same database I am must be missing the point (and if they do share the same database, wouldn't this also imply that Fines4U passively would also share their customer information - i.e. via proxy of PayMyFines to TMT)?
 
MagicDude4Eva said:
I was :-( - mixed Fines4U and PayMyFines up (too much egg-nogg) - but I don't get the Fines4U issue then:



I have not read the Star and perhaps I a missing the essential piece of info, but based on the snippet above TMT got Cornelia's details from PayMyFines and now Fines4U wrote to TMT that they should cease using Cornelia's details. So unless Fines4U and PayMyFines are sharing the same database I am must be missing the point (and if they do share the same database, wouldn't this also imply that Fines4U passively would also share their customer information - i.e. via proxy of PayMyFines to TMT)?
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You are overthinking this. Fines4u is the name of the queue 4 u service offered by Cornelia to her clients. She is registered on paymyfines in order to run this service.
 
garp said:
I guess their answer will be that this is the reason why you must register, but since you are not required by law to register in order to travel on those roads, this doesn't hold up. It doesn't matter what's in the SANRAL Act - if it is just plain illogical it surely can't hold up in court. I'm guessing, though, that it will only be a matter of time before they amend the act to make it outright illegal to travel on the freeway without an e-tag.
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That will never happen. Against the constitution. ;)
 
MagicDude4Eva said:
I was :-( - mixed Fines4U and PayMyFines up (too much egg-nogg) - but I don't get the Fines4U issue then:



I have not read the Star and perhaps I a missing the essential piece of info, but based on the snippet above TMT got Cornelia's details from PayMyFines and now Fines4U wrote to TMT that they should cease using Cornelia's details. So unless Fines4U and PayMyFines are sharing the same database I am must be missing the point (and if they do share the same database, wouldn't this also imply that Fines4U passively would also share their customer information - i.e. via proxy of PayMyFines to TMT)?
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I think Mrs Cornelia van Niekerk works for Fines4U (which pays fines on behalf people and/or companies for a fee, at a guess), and so she is the contactable person on PayMyFine of the persons and/or companies so as to handle this admin duty, so she has been receiving SMSs, e-mails and calls for e-toll related stuff.
 
supersunbird said:
I think Mrs Cornelia van Niekerk works for Fines4U (which pays fines on behalf people and/or companies for a fee, at a guess), and so she is the contactable person on PayMyFine of the persons and/or companies so as to handle this admin duty, so she has been receiving SMSs, e-mails and calls for e-toll related stuff.
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hahaha epic
 
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