The Gauteng E-tolling Thread

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Send those little gems to OUTA..

I'm sure they will have a field day with them.
 
We are in big shyte with regards to this whole SANRAL situation.

There is now NO incentive for them to fix alternative roads or for the traffic dept to fix robots. The incentive is to force us onto the N1, it literally means less income for them to fix side road issues.
 
Oh and another issue some guys brought up. They were saying how low our % is for paying fines in Gauteng, 30% or something and how eTolls will be similar. That is very wrong i think.

The traffic dept doesnt seem to care about low % of payment from fines.

The "debt" incurred from e-tolls will be handled by collection agencies who have a vested interest in getting the money. Its way different than not paying a normal fine.

#justsaying
 
rakabos3 said:
Oh and another issue some guys brought up. They were saying how low our % is for paying fines in Gauteng, 30% or something and how eTolls will be similar. That is very wrong i think.

The traffic dept doesnt seem to care about low % of payment from fines.

The "debt" incurred from e-tolls will be handled by collection agencies who have a vested interest in getting the money. Its way different than not paying a normal fine.

#justsaying
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AARTO fines are also collected by an agency with a vested interest in getting the money. Something like 50% of the fine revenue goes to RTIA - NOT the municipality.
 
Sinbad said:
AARTO fines are also collected by an agency with a vested interest in getting the money. Something like 50% of the fine revenue goes to RTIA - NOT the municipality.
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I stand corrected
 
Problem is that municipalities are not reliant on fines to repay billions of rands of debts, Sanral and SA Government is. This is why I have been so adamant from the beginning that e-Tolls are here to stay and that both Sanral and Government will do everything possible to implement the system, keep it running and force people into paying.
 
House said:
Problem is that municipalities are not reliant on fines to repay billions of rands of debts, Sanral and SA Government is. This is why I have been so adamant from the beginning that e-Tolls are here to stay and that both Sanral and Government will do everything possible to implement the system, keep it running and force people into paying.
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Yeah municipalities just don't care about the millions of debt.

At least you admit that E-Tolling is a fine, Sanral and Gov was never relient on E-Toll as GFIP it was in budget... (rant over)
 
Paul_S said:
It seems that SANRAL and the DOT are possibly conspiring together to force people to use the tolled highways by closing alternative routes. :mad:

For example the M57 which runs parallel to the R21 from Pretoria to Kempton Park has been closed off between the St Georges's Hotel (near Rietvleidam) and 50th Ave (Olifantsfontein) since at least the 28th December and it is still closed despite the fact that the road has recently been completed and there have been no road works taking place over the festive season.
This is not the only road closure over the festive season as I have heard that other alternative routes were/are also closed for no apparent reason.

Fortunately civil disobedience is taking place and people have made a detour through the veld around the barriers. :)

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That's crap. The M57 is a lovely road to drive to Kempton Park. Do you know which other roads were closed?
 
Paul_S said:
It seems that SANRAL and the DOT are possibly conspiring together to force people to use the tolled highways by closing alternative routes. :mad:

For example the M57 which runs parallel to the R21 from Pretoria to Kempton Park has been closed off between the St Georges's Hotel (near Rietvleidam) and 50th Ave (Olifantsfontein) since at least the 28th December and it is still closed despite the fact that the road has recently been completed and there have been no road works taking place over the festive season.
This is not the only road closure over the festive season as I have heard that other alternative routes were/are also closed for no apparent reason.

Fortunately civil disobedience is taking place and people have made a detour through the veld around the barriers. :)

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I drove that road on the 14th of December, it is the only section of the M57/Pretoria road that is in good condition. I wonder why it's closed...?
 
Paul_S said:
It seems that SANRAL and the DOT are possibly conspiring together to force people to use the tolled highways by closing alternative routes. :mad:

For example the M57 which runs parallel to the R21 from Pretoria to Kempton Park has been closed off between the St Georges's Hotel (near Rietvleidam) and 50th Ave (Olifantsfontein) since at least the 28th December and it is still closed despite the fact that the road has recently been completed and there have been no road works taking place over the festive season.
This is not the only road closure over the festive season as I have heard that other alternative routes were/are also closed for no apparent reason.

Fortunately civil disobedience is taking place and people have made a detour through the veld around the barriers. :)

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They might be waiting for the municipality to pay them. I've seen the same thing happen here. Municipality is very lax on payment and the companies keep the road closed until they've received payment.
 
Wyzak said:
They might be waiting for the municipality to pay them. I've seen the same thing happen here. Municipality is very lax on payment and the companies keep the road closed until they've received payment.
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That's a viable explanation but I should imagine it's illegal.
What if the same thing was done to a suburb and all the residents could not get to work?
What if someone has a heart attack and an emergency vehicle cannot gain access to the patient?
 
Paul_S said:
That's a viable explanation but I should imagine it's illegal.
What if the same thing was done to a suburb and all the residents could not get to work?
What if someone has a heart attack and an emergency vehicle cannot gain access to the patient?
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Government should pay their dues then it wont happen...
 
Paul_S said:
That's a viable explanation but I should imagine it's illegal.
What if the same thing was done to a suburb and all the residents could not get to work?
What if someone has a heart attack and an emergency vehicle cannot gain access to the patient?
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It's interesting that you jump to that as being the main problem and not the constant problem of the municipality not paying it's service providers.

In response to your post, it's unlikely that it is the only road, there will most likely be other roads in the area which can carry that traffic.
 
Wyzak said:
It's interesting that you jump to that as being the main problem and not the constant problem of the municipality not paying it's service providers.
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As a tax payer it is neither my fault nor my responsibility to ensure that government or municipalities pay providers on time.
I certainly do not vote for them at the election poles so the only alternative is to take legal action against the municipality which I cannot afford.

In response to your post, it's unlikely that it is the only road, there will most likely be other roads in the area which can carry that traffic.
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Like the R21 which is tolled? :D
By law, alternative, non-tolled roads have to be available. If not then the e-tolls should be removed from the tolled sections of highway until the alternative routes are usable again.
For the time being I consider the strip of veld around the obstruction as an alternative route.
 
Paul_S said:
As a tax payer it is neither my fault nor my responsibility to ensure that government or municipalities pay providers on time.
I certainly do not vote for them at the election poles so the only alternative is to take legal action against the municipality which I cannot afford.
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As a tax payer it is your responsibility to ensure that government or municipalities pay providers on time and that your tax money is properly spent.

Paul_S said:
Like the R21 which is tolled? :D
By law, alternative, non-tolled roads have to be available. If not then the e-tolls should be removed from the tolled sections of highway until the alternative routes are usable again.
For the time being I consider the strip of veld around the obstruction as an alternative route.
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I also believed that, but go and try to find the law which says that alternative routes have to be available before a road can be tolled...
 
Wyzak said:
As a tax payer it is your responsibility to ensure that government or municipalities pay providers on time and that your tax money is properly spent.



I also believed that, but go and try to find the law which says that alternative routes have to be available before a road can be tolled...
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That part was quietly repealed before this etoll project started.


11.1. (SANRAL and) National Roads Act

The original National Roads Act of 1971 enabled the national roads to be tolled. This Act was then amended in 1992 to require that an alternative route was available to the public. The wording of this was amended in 1996, and all three acts finally repealed in 1998 by the current SANRAL and National Roads Act, Act 7 of 1998.
 
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