The Gauteng E-tolling Thread

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Quick question. How will etolls handle temporary license numbers (TLN)? Those papers stuck to the back window of new vehicles.
 
creeper said:
Quick question. How will etolls handle temporary license numbers (TLN)? Those papers stuck to the back window of new vehicles.
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They won't. Maybe I should stick one up on my car and remove the permanent plates...
 
creeper said:
Quick question. How will etolls handle temporary license numbers (TLN)? Those papers stuck to the back window of new vehicles.
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AFAIK they can't use their OCR to read them but might be able to manually do so. If not, your trip is free...
 
DJ... said:
AFAIK they can't use their OCR to read them but might be able to manually do so. If not, your trip is free...
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Those numbers aren't connected to you at all though. It's just a number.
 
DJ... said:
AFAIK they can't use their OCR to read them but might be able to manually do so. If not, your trip is free...
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I used to stick mine on the side window as it blocked my rear view.
So I don't think they will be able to read that.

It's all these things that they haven't though of that will give us more ammo to get this system scrapped
 
Even if SANRAL can read temporary registrations, what database are they going to use to get up to date accurate information regarding the current owner?
Their current DB is obviously a mess based on the comments on HelloPeter (deregistered vehicles, phantom owners, previous owners, etc.)
 
herbertk said:
They are connected to the dealer... (I think) so the dealer could pass it on to you perhaps ?
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Issued by the dealer:

Temporary (21-Day) Permit: This is used mainly by motor dealers for brand new motor vehicles. It is issued to the purchaser for a period of 21 days to allow the new owner to register and licence the vehicle. May also be issued to used motor vehicles if the vehicle has a valid Certification of Roadworthiness (CRW).
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creeper said:
Quick question. How will etolls handle temporary license numbers (TLN)? Those papers stuck to the back window of new vehicles.
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DJ... said:
AFAIK they can't use their OCR to read them but might be able to manually do so. If not, your trip is free...
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DJ... said:
Really? I was under the impression that temp plates were still attributed to the vehicle owner?
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No dude. I had them on the new car for 21 days. They are just a number and don't come back to you at all.
 
Brilliant. I need to dig mine out and then claim ignorance when I'm pulled over...:D

Of course, I would never do such a thing. But it's an interesting thought...
 
I did consider "extending" mine. However the **** storm that would follow if caught is just not worth it. If the car is registered in your name and you have those plates on... good luck.

Edit: To add, I never got pulled over once though. Which was interesting..
 
Ramphele: E-tolls creating big fiscal hole

The e-toll system is unreliable and creating mayhem, Agang SA leader Dr Mamphela Ramphele told Fin24 on Friday.

In her view, it is creating a big fiscal hole.

Not only is it illegal to send summonses for e-toll payment by SMS, but the system will also be tying up law enforcement unnecessarily, said Ramphele.

"The government seems to be tone deaf when South African citizens raise alarm bells," she said.

"I think Wayne Duvenhage (chairperson of the Opposition To Urban Tolling Alliance) has done South Africa a favour by not just being critical about e-tolls, but substantiating it with research."

This research compared raising money for road maintenance by means of e-tolls to using a fuel levy.

"It has been shown internationally that e-tolls bring problems. They have only worked in cases where it was less costly than the alternative, and after lots of consultation," said Ramphele.

In her view, another problem is that the South African National Roads Agency (Sanral) sees the government as its only client.

“Sanral sees the government as the only entity it is accountable to, and not South African citizens,” said Ramphele.

“South African citizens have basically been ignored in the run-up to the implementation of e-tolls.”

To her, that raises the question of who stands to benefit from the system.

“Why was it necessary to use outside investors, while South Africa has all the necessary skills? It is estimated that about 60% of the roughly R20bn that will be collected via e-tolls will be leaving the country, and there have already been examples of shoddy work.

“I am pleased that Outa has brought in the public protector.”

If not e-tolls, then what?

Ramphele said one should look at how roads had been upgraded in the past - by means of a fuel levy.

“But now the fuel levy has gone into the general fiscus. Actually, South Africa’s infrastructure in general has been neglected,” she said.

“In 1994 the government should have done an audit of what needed to be done about infrastructure instead of only reacting in a crisis. There should have been a general growth plan.”

Government's biggest blunder

In her view, the government’s biggest blunder was to allow South Africa’s rail infrastructure to deteriorate.

“Our road deaths can be attributed in part to trucks mingling with passenger traffic instead of the rail system being used for the transportation of goods,” she said.

“This additional road traffic also makes the maintenance of our roads so much harder. When you destroy the rail system, you also destroy rural towns and rural life.”

Asked how she would have approached the whole e-tolls issue, Ramphele said she would firstly have taken public participation seriously.

“We have the people and the knowledge in this country, and we should have used their wisdom. For drastic measures you need public buy-in," she said.

"The number of road users in Gauteng who are now using side streets indicate that this is not the case with the e-tolls system. I would have used a fuel levy for road infrastructure."
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DJ... said:
AFAIK they can't use their OCR to read them but might be able to manually do so. If not, your trip is free...
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I wonder how it registers Donkey carts :-P I am also curious on motobikes as they dont have front facing number plates. Does it take a picture of the back too?
 
from FB, think I'll join in on this one

Bikers Against e-Tolls are having a protest run on Saturday 25 Jan. We motorists are welcome to join.

Saturday, January 25, 2014
.9:00am
.Oasis BP Fuel Stop; off Beyers Naude off ramp Cresta

Protest against Urban Tolling and the blatant theft of our FREEways for profit. Route will be clockwise trip around the ring road as before, following Mustang Sally. Speed planned 70km/h and to occupy all the lanes. Time estimated to complete 1h30min. End at BP Oasis fuel stop for those that don't break away en route.
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Ricard said:
I wonder how it registers Donkey carts :-P I am also curious on motobikes as they dont have front facing number plates. Does it take a picture of the back too?
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Yes it does. Most bikes don't have plates at all, so etolls is not an issue for those guys.
 
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