The Gauteng E-tolling Thread

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creeper said:
My bet. They will be creative. Revenue instead of collections will be reported. Compare volumes to complaints, even though a complaint may have many transactions involved. Use the 1m registered users and divide it by total revenue during Dec.

Other issues will be isolated problems.
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They will certainly report revenue, as they can account for it before collections. Hence why the market will demand compliance rates based on payment information vs E-Tag sales and no doubt they'll want to see an age analysis and forecast...
 
DJ... said:
They will certainly report revenue, as they can account for it before collections. Hence why the market will demand compliance rates based on payment information vs E-Tag sales and no doubt they'll want to see an age analysis and forecast...
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Maybe the reason they are aiming for the April roadshow. Only have 5 months of info, and it might look better than 1 year of age analysis

Like a said. Accounting is 50% numbers, 50% art. The art side is to let a company look really good or really bad.
 
creeper said:
Maybe the reason they are aiming for the April roadshow. Only have 5 months of info, and it might look better than 1 year of age analysis

Like a said. Accounting is 50% numbers, 50% art. The art side is to let a company look really good or really bad.
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Yup. There will no doubt be a trend with the shorter age analysis showing it going down as a few percent cave in. A year's worth of data would spread the variation and you'd see a far more reflective position, which I doubt will be rosy...
 
DJ... said:
Yup. There will no doubt be a trend with the shorter age analysis showing it going down as a few percent cave in. A year's worth of data would spread the variation and you'd see a far more reflective position, which I doubt will be rosy...
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My suspicion is that it is already not rosy. The etagged people are the bulk of the current revenue. The rest, more of a question. Then there are the invoices that a lot of people haven't received, moving to age distribution.

Your analysis state the obvious. High compliance is needed. The biggest thug is most people are. It proactively taking stance against etolls, but a wait and see approach
 
I'm yet to receive a single notice, invoice, SMS - nothing. Not a thing...
 
same here - I've travelled the toll roads extensively on my bike (bought in May 2013) but only once in my car and NOTHING....ZILCH

was caught in a camera speed trap last year on bike..... also nothing
 
Bundu said:
same here - I've travelled the toll roads extensively on my bike (bought in May 2013) but only once in my car and NOTHING....ZILCH

was caught in a camera speed trap last year on bike..... also nothing
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My argument? I went to the E-Toll outlet and their systems were down. I returned, and they refused to accept my cash payment at the time, citing something about not being equipped on the day to do so. I have toll gantry pass-throughs to confirm that I travelled to the outlet. The person at the desk said that she wasn't authorised to put in writing that they could not/would not accept my payment. Her boss said the same thing and told me to just return on another date.

What more do you want of me?
 
Used roads in December and January - no invoice.

I can hardly sleep at night laying in wait...

EDIT: Paying the +-R400 for a taxi to take me to the airport (who didn't have an etag and wouldn't be paying) was way better than driving myself and my heart rate increasing at the sight of each purple Barney gantry.
 
I haven't bothered and won't, to find out what they should have sent me - they can provide proof in court
 
The post office is striking, you won't receive any invoices atm...
 
IzZzy said:
Used roads in December and January - no invoice.

I can hardly sleep at night laying in wait...

EDIT: Paying the +-R400 for a taxi to take me to the airport (who didn't have an etag and wouldn't be paying) was way better than driving myself and my heart rate increasing at the sight of each purple Barney gantry.
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Avoidance is a tactic that most will only use for so long. Thereafter we have to hope that people just flip the bird at government and tell them to get stuffed with their scare tactics...
 
And the fun continues. Heard on the radio this morning that someone sent a bill to SANRAL for R1500 for time wasted trying to resolve R13 bill that wasn't even his car.

R1500. Imagine companies start billing ditto the administrative overhead.
 
I'm soooooo enjoying Sanrals pain...... I never expected it to be such a farkup
 
creeper said:
And the fun continues. Heard on the radio this morning that someone sent a bill to SANRAL for R1500 for time wasted trying to resolve R13 bill that wasn't even his car.

R1500. Imagine companies start billing ditto the administrative overhead.
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I'd love to hear what happens with this. We also received some stupid thing like R500 for driving on the roads twice. Obviously there's some cockup, but I just ignore it and won't pay since it's their cockup and not mine. If he wins, I might decide to spend some time to get it resolved :)
 
Lights on e-toll N1 not working

Anyone else notice that half the lights on the e-toll N1 aren't working. Surely this is what we are paying for?

The gantries are all working and well lit :confused:
 
T-Man said:
Anyone else notice that half the lights on the e-toll N1 aren't working. Surely this is what we are paying for?

The gantries are all working and well lit :confused:
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Quite simple really. The one they need to make money, the other one is for our safety. Guess which is more important.

http://www.fin24.com/Economy/E-tolls-system-is-starting-to-crack-Outa-20140206
Johannesburg - E-tolls have given rise to SA’s biggest single issue of resistance and friction between the state and its citizens in recent times, according to John Clarke, spokesperson of the Opposition To Urban Tolling Alliance (Outa).

He regards Monday’s taxi protest as an indication of additional complexities arising from an unregulated industry onto which the South African National Roads Agency (Sanral) is trying for force a cumbersome regulated process.

While Outa disapproves of the disruptions and damage to property caused by the protest, it feels the many taxi drivers have every right to feel aggrieved "by cynical co-option tactics due to Sanral’s attempt to keep them at bay on the e-toll issue".

In 2011, Sanral offered full exemption for taxis on the tolled roads.

"Some two years later, it doesn’t take much to see through the administrative bungling and e-toll complexities to realise why the taxi industry is protesting against e-tolls," said Clarke.

The protest by taxis, which are supposed to be exempt from e-tolls, "shows e-tolling is starting to crack under the sheer weight of a cumbersome system, fraught with maladministration and complex relationships", Outa said.

On President Jacob Zuma's lashing of Sanral and the e-toll billing errors, Outa said that, while this indicates that the billing crisis is now being taken seriously at the highest echelons of government, it would have expected Zuma to call Sanral to book for their threatening and disrespectful communication methods to herd users to buy e-tags.

Outa called on the authorities to suspend the "ill-conceived" plan, before the "unintended consequences become too costly and dire for our country to endure".
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Actually even that F**k You sticker will land you a fine or court appearance here.
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Hence why I don't live in your nanny state country. One thing above all else is I can speak my mind here.
In your country things are so ridiculous I could fill a page here... A hard hat and safety clothing and ladder to change a light bulb... my good Lord... how nanny state do you get?
 
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