The Gauteng E-tolling Thread

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Agreed, send them an email, tell them it's a clone, make a copy of the email and if you ever go to court show the judge you did your part and the whole thing will be thrown out. Don't stress over the small stuff, not worth it.
 
I would just forget about it - Sanral should know it's a trailer and not a car - we should not be doing their filthy work
 
Scamral strikes again, my mother in law received an invoice, not showing the gantries and dates, the car hasn't been drivable since early December and the only time it's been anywhere near the highway was when it was towed home.
 
Dear Mr Alli

Again this is an open letter to you.

It is my opinion that you have not only misled our President, our Government, but also the Public at large in your implementation and management of the e-tolling system, as the Consumer Protection Act requires that;

You cannot demand payment via sms;
You cannot demand or expect any payment to be made before a person has received an Economic Apartheid Invoice (DOMPAS) for their use of the Toll Roads
Your Economic Apartheid Invoice (DOMPAS), MUST reflect clear, and legible photographs of each and every Gantry that the vehicle in question has passed through
The invoice (DOMPAS) MUST reflect the correct amount of VAT payable, or you can be reported to the Financial Services Board for contravening Laws pertaining to VAT
You CANNOT impose any financial penalties against a driver for failure to pay within the “grace period”, unless you can courier the invoice to that driver, and have them sign the delivery slip, proving that they received the Economic Apartheid Invoice (DOMPAS) within that “grace period”.
The CPA clearly states that when two differing prices are advertised for the same service, then the lowest one shall apply to the individual. So people will expect their Economic Apartheid Invoice (DOMPAS) to be EXACTLY the same as it would be for those people who have actually gone out and bought their DOMPAS e-tag to get a discount that they are entitled to without having to buy a DOMPAS.
In summary of Point 6, you CANNOT charge a person a higher price for traveling on the same stretch of road, just because they do not want to register, or have an e-tag on their car.

Your Systems that you have implemented for Tolling, clearly indicate that YOU NEVER undertook to properly consult with the Public about e-tolling, and just snuck this Legislation past the People that you, as a State Owned Entity work for.

For if you had properly consulted with the Public, then you would have been met with great opposition that you are faced with now; and then possibly realised that you would be violating our Constitutional Rights, our Rights in Terms of our Bill of Rights, and our Rights as clearly defined under the Consumer Protection Act.

This is a challenge to you and SANRAL to move ahead and start prosecuting e-toll violators under YOUR attempts of Economic Apartheid.

But be warned, that when the first verdict of Not Guilty is passed, it will be the test case, and basis for the LARGEST Civil Action Claim brought against an Organisation in the History of South Africa.

And then OURS “will be a good story to tell”.

Then on a final note; SANRAL as a State Owned Entity sold SANRAL Bonds to generate the required Capital that was necessary to upgrade the existing Freeway infrastructure.

Please note that I am using the words “existing infrastructure” as you never built anything that wasn’t already there. You merely “upgraded” it, and in some places, turned “wasted space’ on the roads into more lanes.

Now when you “marketed” these SANRAL Bonds to potential buyers, you surely must have provided them with Presentations and Reports on what you were going to be doing, and MORE importantly; the financial viability of buying the SANRAL Bonds i.e. what their ROI will be.

I have not seen these “Presentations” or “Investor Marketing Reports”, but would imagine that the PRIMARY OBJECTIVE that was presented to potential buyers (investors) would have been tangible proof that the PUBLIC was CONSULTED with on a MASSIVE SCALE, and that the PUBLIC had BOUGHT INTO THE CONCEPT ON A MASSIVE SCALE; as without Public buy, there would be no Project, and the SANRAL Bonds would not provide any ROI for those who had bought them.

I cannot see an Investor paying Billions of Rands for SANRAL Bonds based upon a mere verbal indication that it would work and provide them with a suitable ROI.

In light of this, and as SANRAL is a State Owned Entity, which makes you an employee of the Tax Payers of South Africa, I would ask that you make copies of these “Investor Marketing Proposals” available to the Public, in particular where you proved to Investors, that you had extensively CONSULTED with the PUBLIC, and that THEY HAD SHOWN GREAT SUPPORT for this Project.

I am sure that in your role of CEO of SANRAL, you would want to uphold the requirements of Good Corporate Governance, and as you Head a SOE you would make all efforts to be as transparent as possible.

Kind regards

JASON FIVAZ
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http://vulturesandhedgehogs.wordpress.com/2014/02/26/e-tags-public-consulation/
 
DJ.....

Maybe you should send a copy of all your material to the reporter who wrote the article in the above post. See he is based in Vienna. Maybe a good thing for them to realise what is really going on and make it public on that side.

To contact the reporter on this story: Alexander Weber in Vienna at [email protected]
 
MKFrost said:
DJ.....

Maybe you should send a copy of all your material to the reporter who wrote the article in the above post. See he is based in Vienna. Maybe a good thing for them to realise what is really going on and make it public on that side.

To contact the reporter on this story: Alexander Weber in Vienna at [email protected]
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Ditto
 
Quite like reading this bit ...

The net loss including minority interests was 0.6 million euros in the three months through December, compared with a profit of 1.2 million euros in the same period a year earlier, according to its quarterly report
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I was pondering how one can get a small defeat of SANRAL as to the Hadeda gantry where the R21 South starts, to make them shut it down because WTF are they tolling you for there? Tolling one as if you have done a whole 10km, but its just like 500m of improved road.

Once that can be accomplished I'd tackle being tolls for getting at a near onramp and then being tolled as if you had used ~10km.

I just can't figure out where to start... maybe use that gantry and refuse to pay and take SANRAL/Nazir to small claims court?
 
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everything is still going according to plan..... our plan!
 
Looking at the complaints against SANRAL on Hellopeter.com, their standard response seems to be:

Thank you for your query. It is receiving attention. SANRAL will revert with a response.
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Which they rarely seem to do.
 
I just two more accounts - no pictures on either and also does not even indicate the gantries I triggered..... farkers are becoming lazy or they know I'm not paying in any case
 
REVERT with a response?!!!! Please dont say SANRAL are using that word :P Someone using google translate to generate repliles :D

verb: revert;
1.
return to (a previous state, condition, practice, etc.).
"he reverted to his native language"
synonyms: return, go back, change back, default; More
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Nazir Alli said this morning on 702 that their aim was to collect R200 million per month. He claimed that they are achieving that, and that they are in fact collecting R300 million per month.

Is R200 million per month enough to repay their debt?
 
I suspect they're invoicing R300m per month. Collecting? Nope.
 
Sinbad said:
I suspect they're invoicing R300m per month. Collecting? Nope.
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Yep, couldn't agree more. I'm sure DJ will be able to show that even R300m a month isn't nearly enough for them to pay off their bonds.
 
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