The Islamic State Thread

Xarog said:
No, that's not how it works.


In other words, all nation-states that are members of the United Nations are legally bound to reject the notion of Right of Conquest as far as territorial acquisition is concerned. So as far as other members of the UN are concerned, they are legally obligated to treat the governments of Syria and Iraq as the legitimate authority over the land contained within the national borders of those two states respectively, along with all the other legal consequences that follow naturally from this legal obligation.
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IS don't agree with you, and they are not a member of the UN.

Maybe you should go and talk to them. But don't lose your head.
 
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Jola said:
IS don't agree with you.

Maybe you should go and talk to them. But don't lose your head.
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IS is irrelevant here. What IS does or does not do is completely immaterial as far as the legal prerogative the Iraqis and Syrians have to complain about their national airspace being violated by foreign powers. IS cannot take that prerogative away short of completely destroying the Syrian or Iraqi governments which clearly they have not managed to do.
 
Xarog said:
IS is irrelevant here. What IS does or does not do is completely immaterial as far as the legal prerogative the Iraqis and Syrians have to complain about their national airspace being violated by foreign powers. IS cannot take that prerogative away short of completely destroying the Syrian or Iraqi governments which clearly they have not managed to do.
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The Turks were on the ground in IS territory, so this has everything to do with IS. Nothing to do with airspace/flights.

But let's cease this argument, this is stupid, it's really about how IS doesn't care about anybody else, and we all know that.
 
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Jola said:
The Turks were on the ground in IS territory, so this has everything to do with IS. Nothing to do with airspace/flights.
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There is no legal "IS territory" just like if you suffered a home invasion the invaders wouldn't suddenly become the legal owners of your house.

I said you were naive OR trolling, are you really that naive to not be able to tell the difference between a nation state and a group of criminals? I'm not so sure you are, alternative theory back into play...
 
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Jola said:
OK. You go and tell IS to go away. Don't lose your head.
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What does that have to do with anything, substitute any criminal in your asinine comment, "you go and tell the home invader/suicide bomber/mass murderer/rapist to go away", it isn't that difficult to understand that IS are simply a very large criminal gang and won't just go away.

Can I remind you that you were the one who made the idiotic comment...

Jola said:
why does Iraq and Syria not just tell IS to get out ?
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You seem to be trolling or don't really understand what IS is, which one is it?
 
They can't really get rid of ISIS without Al-Qaeda stepping in, a constant power struggle.
 
Dave123, you guys keep harping on about International Law, and I am trying to tell you that IS doesn't care about IL.

Simple concept. You seem to have a serious comprehension problem. And have no idea about sarcasm, maybe read up about it.
 
Jola said:
Dave123, you guys keep harping on about International Law, and I am trying to tell you that IS doesn't care about IL.

Simple concept. You seem to have a serious comprehension problem. And have no idea about sarcasm, maybe read up about it.
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IS doesn't care about International Law, but countries do care about International Law. Thus, they are obligated to obey the legal prescriptions which restrict how they may legally behave or they face legal censure for their actions.

There is no way around this, and other nation-states are obligated to respect the wishes of the Iraqi and Syrian governments with respect to the airspace and land that they are legally entitled to.
 
Xarog said:
IS doesn't care about International Law, but countries do care about International Law. Thus, they are obligated to obey the legal prescriptions which restrict how they may legally behave or they face legal censure for their actions.

There is no way around this, and other nation-states are obligated to respect the wishes of the Iraqi and Syrian governments with respect to the airspace and land that they are legally entitled to.
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Yes, I agree.

But the UK, France, USA, etc, all seem to have legal arguments that covers their arses. Mainly based on self-defence.

And Russia has invaded the Crimea and Ukraine, so everybody seems to do what they feel like doing.

Not sure why Iraq is getting excited about a few Turks running around in IS territory.

But, yes, I agree with you that they have a right to complain.
 
Jola said:
Yes, I agree.

But the UK, France, USA, etc, all seem to have legal arguments that covers their arses. Mainly based on self-defence.

And Russia has invaded the Crimea and Ukraine, so everybody seems to do what they feel like doing.

Not sure why Iraq is getting excited about a few Turks running around in IS territory.

But, yes, I agree with you that they have a right to complain.
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FFS, why don't you get the fact there is no such thing as IS territory? a gang of criminals don't constitute a nation nor do they have legal territory. The Turkish troops are in Iraqi territory.

The concept of the home invaders not owning the house they break into should be fairly easy for almost anyone to comprehend.
 
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Dave123 said:
FFS, why don't you get the fact there is no such thing as IS territory? a [-]gang[/-]group of [-]criminals[/-]muslims don't constitute a nation nor do they have legal territory. The Turkish troops are in Iraqi territory.

The concept of the home invaders not owning the house they break into should be fairly easy for almost anyone to comprehend.
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As with South Africa's home invaders, these groups does have human rights.

/sarcasm
 
Dave123 said:
FFS, why don't you get the fact there is no such thing as IS territory? a gang of criminals don't constitute a nation nor do they have legal territory. The Turkish troops are in Iraqi territory.

The concept of the home invaders not owning the house they break into should be fairly easy for almost anyone to comprehend.
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Yes, and the Russians are sitting in the Crimea and Eastern Ukraine. You going to chase them out ?

And in most countries, including South Africa, it is quite difficult to get squatters out of a house.
 
Jola said:
Yes, and the Russians are sitting in the Crimea and Eastern Ukraine. You going to chase them out ?
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That's why there are currently sanctions against Russia.

Jola said:
And in most countries, including South Africa, it is quite difficult to get squatters out of a house.
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You know, today it feels like there's a special needs contingent on this forum, I talk about someone doing a violent home invasion of your house and you talk about squatters?

I give up. I'm not really qualified to deal with this level of stupid...
 
Jola said:
Yes, and the Russians are sitting in the Crimea and Eastern Ukraine. You going to chase them out ?

And in most countries, including South Africa, it is quite difficult to get squatters out of a house.
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Not really. pepper spray works really well. Else fire extinguisher...
 
Sharia judges order children with Down's syndrome and other disabilities to be killed

How much more depraved can ISIS get? Group's Sharia judges order children with Down's syndrome and other disabilities to be killed in chilling echo of the Nazis

ISIS have issued a fatwa which orders children with Down's syndrome and other disabilities to be killed in a chilling echo to the workings of the Nazis, it is claimed.

Sharia judges have apparently ruled that ISIS followers are authorised to 'kill newborn babies with Down's Syndrome or congenital deformities and disabled children' in their latest sickening act.

More than 38 children born with deformities and Down's syndrome, aged between one week and three months, have already been killed by lethal injection or suffocation, according to Iraqi activist group Mosul Eye.

The organisation, which released the a video report highlighting the depraved acts, said the killings took place in ISIS strongholds in Syria and Mosul, northern Iraq....
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Read More...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-disabilities-killed-chilling-echo-Nazis.html
 
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