The idea is to generate Hydrogen only when needed.
On board,on demand.
Carting a tank full of hydrogen in your car is not my idea of safe driving.
If that thing goes off, you will take an entire city block with you!
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The idea is to generate Hydrogen only when needed.
On board,on demand.
Carting a tank full of hydrogen in your car is not my idea of safe driving.
If that thing goes off, you will take an entire city block with you!
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So your alternator is used to generate a DC voltage that splits water into Hydrogen and Oxygen, correct? Do you then feed the hydrogen into your engine's inlet?
That is the idea.
It is not as simple as it sounds though.
You have to change your engine timing from 8 degrees before top dead centre to 8 degrees after top dead centre.
Otherwise you will break your conrods or crank, thereby destroying the engine.
The difference between petrol and hydrogen is that petrol burns, whilst Hydrogen explodes.
You also have to install a stainless steel exhaust.
An ordinary steel one woud rust away in a week.
Some people also coat their in and outlet valves with ceramic.
Having stainless steel ones made is very expensive.
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Okay but how do you get the process going from a cold start? I would assume that you would start the engine on petrol and, once the hydrogen generator starts producing gas, you would then switch to burning hydrogen. Do you colmpetely stop burning petrol at this stage or does the hydrogen just supplement the petrol?
You have a switch mounted on the dash that gets power from the battery to start up.
It would involve waiting a minute before start up.
There is also danger in this.
You should have an alarm connected to this as you do not want this generator to produce Hydrogen with the car parked for the night.
You might find then that it would be an explosive situation the next morning.
But you really would not have to worry about that.
You would be gone.
So would your wife and kids and your neighbours.
If you have worked with hydrogen before,you would know that it is extremely dangerous.
Never ,ever work indoors with it.
Hydrogen is very light.
It collects on the ceiling.
When you switch a light on, gone is your house and probably you as well.
Never use salt as an electrolite.
It produces chlorine gas.
Chlorine gas can and will kill you.
Piep, I seriously suggest that you read up First Law of Thermodynamics.
It is not a fallacy to assume that you need more hydrogen to split hydrogen from water than you can get out of it.
By the law of thermodynamics, you can get at most the same amount of energy out, but due to inefficiencies, you will get less energy out.
If that were not the case, then we could use split water, to make hydrogen and then burn the hydrogen to create electricity which could be used for power supplies as well as splitting water. This would eliminate the need to burn fossil fuels or use any other source of energy. If that was possible, don't you think someone would have done it already.
Apply some simple common sense.
LoneGunman
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the idea of using hydrogen, and thinking there's any real benefit, is bogus smokescreen science and economics.
It still requires fossil fuels to split the hydrogen, and get it into a usable form, except now the fossil fuel use is hidden from the end consumer.
There's a finite amount of oil. Hydrogen use just slows down the fossil fuel usage, it doesnt stop it. (Same with 'electric' cars -
it still requires fossil fuels to make the electricity in the first place). Except now the consumer doesnt see the petrol being used up,
and thinks its all somehow 'okay' and 'better'.
2nd law of thermodynamics - all energy goes from usable, to unusable.
(side thought, related to topic)
Theres a useful and quite sensible documentary on peak oil, and what it practically means to human society, should the oil supply 'go away'.. its called 'The End of Suburbia'.
Worth a look, for those interested in what an absence of oil will 'mean'..
It still requires fossil fuels to split the hydrogen, and get it into a usable form, except now the fossil fuel use is hidden from the end consumer.
There's a finite amount of oil. Hydrogen use just slows down the fossil fuel usage, it doesnt stop it. (Same with 'electric' cars -
it still requires fossil fuels to make the electricity in the first place). Except now the consumer doesnt see the petrol being used up,
and thinks its all somehow 'okay' and 'better'.
2nd law of thermodynamics - all energy goes from usable, to unusable.
(side thought, related to topic)
Theres a useful and quite sensible documentary on peak oil, and what it practically means to human society, should the oil supply 'go away'.. its called 'The End of Suburbia'.
Worth a look, for those interested in what an absence of oil will 'mean'..
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We are not heating the electrolite.
That would produce steam.
We do not want steam.
Although water vapour introduced into a internal combustion engine together with normal petrol, gives much more power.
Similar to a turbo.
The steam that forms inside the combustion chamber expands rapidly and gives the engine much more va, va, voom!
Question:
In a fuel cell, when the Hydrogen molecules are split,it produces electricity.
Do you agree on this?
Where does the electricity come from, that is produced?
I can produce Hydrogen from 12 volt.
Sufficient hydrogen to power a 4.9 litre internal combustion engine.
This engine powers the motor including the alternator that gets used to produce the 12 volt electricity to split the Hydrogen.
The same alternator still charges the battery and the rest of the car electrics.
There is nothing strage about this, is has been done.
Piep, you are completely missing the point. If the alternator system indeed does work, it will draw more power from the engine, therefore use more fuel, and ultimately be cost inefficient, due to inefficiencies in the alternator and water splitting processes.
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Piepalook, I did a quick search for one of these hydrogen generators and the first site I found had a large banner saying this:
...and then this:
When I see claims of doubling a car's gas mileage for a $100 investment that is supposed to be made possible by harnessing "free energy", I instantly lose all interest. If anybody can spend a hundred bucks and double their MPG, then why are Toyota managing to sell a million Priuses a year? Car companies are not idiots; if this technology worked then they would have been all over it decades ago.
...and then this:
When I see claims of doubling a car's gas mileage for a $100 investment that is supposed to be made possible by harnessing "free energy", I instantly lose all interest. If anybody can spend a hundred bucks and double their MPG, then why are Toyota managing to sell a million Priuses a year? Car companies are not idiots; if this technology worked then they would have been all over it decades ago.
My engine produces 281 horsepower.
1 horsepower gets used turning the alternator.
That leaves me with another 280 horsepower produced from pure hydrogen.
The alternator turns at 100% efficiency at 2100 engine revs.
It then produces 95 Amps.
Of that i only use 2 amps to generate Hydrogen.
I actually waste about 60 amps when the engine runs.
That is a scam.
Those things do not produce enough Hydrogen to make any difference.
Hydrogen as a supplement to petrol cannot work.
The burning rate of hydrogen is much faster than petrol.
In a internal combustion engine your timing is set to more or less 8 degrees before top dead centre.
This means your piston is on its way up to top dead centre (in combustion stage) when the spark from the plug is introduced.
The reason for this is because petrol takes longer to burn.
By the time the piston reaches top dead centre,the fuel mix reaches max compression to power your car.
Hydrogen works differently.
It does not burn. It explodes.
With timing at 8 degrees BTDC when the spark is introduced hydrogen will immediately ignite and push the piston down.
At this stage the piston is still on its way up,when the hydrogen pushes it back down.NO MATTER THAT THERE IS STILL PETROL IN THE MIX.
This will damage your engine.You can ruin it in a second.
You cannot run a car on both hydrogen and petrol.
When burning Hydrogen timing should be at 8 degrees past top dead centre
( In other words the spark gets introduced after the piston reached TDC.)
A normal engine is not designed to run anti-clockwise.
The stuff they sell there produces so little hydrogen that it will not make any difference to your fuel consumption.
You can figure it out for yourself.
Hydrogen in that method is counterproductive.
It will not make your car lighter on fuel.
It will also not burn petrol more efficiently.
It is a scam.
The plates inside their generator only lasts about 2 weeks.
I assume you are talking about the water4fuel product?
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water4fuel, yes.
Please name some performance numbers for your setup. Are you running pure hydrogen? What is your mileage?
Please name some performance numbers for your setup. Are you running pure hydrogen? What is your mileage?
I haven't installed it yet.
I am drawing too much current.
Drawing about 40 amps.
I need to bring this down to 2 amps.
I am working on it.
The hydrogen is actually a mixture of Hydrogen and oxygen.
I built another where i discard the oxygen completely.
Oxy- hydrogen causes rust.
The oxygen is the culprit.
I will make the plans available, free of charge, on my website as soon as i have installed it.
I still have some development work to do.
Nothing i cannot overcome.
All the tests and development took place outside, not in the car.
According to some guys you will be able to do 800 km on a litre of water.
My measurements shows differently.
Only about 250 km on a litre.
medicnick83
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The proof is in the pudding. 
There's no shortage of oil
The idea of "Peak Oil" and petro in general is a total scam dreamed up and promoted by the dammmn American oil corporations owned and run by the Rockefellers.
PEAK OIL IS A SCAM!
Want proof? Search this " Deep Russian abiotic oil ". You find out that there's loads and loads of scientific proof -- 50 years worth -- of oil being abiotic by nature and in unlimited supplies.
The idea of it being "scarce" or short in any way is a scam dreamed up by the dammmn Rockefellers, who, long time ago, discovered that there's really massive, massive amounts of oil in the Earth.
"No major oil field finds" in the last few years...that's only because they shorted and underfunded the oil search/exploration; also, there's been a massive underinvestment of refinery capacity by the Rockefellers. In the USA, the home country of the Rockefellers, NO new refinery has been built in the last 30 years and a large number of them have been shut down and taken apart...all this in face of huge increases in demand of oil products. What does THAT tell you?
We have 1000's of years worth of oil to burn. But, the really bigger question is: can our Earth handle any more CO2 from the burning of oil? No, it cannot, hence another major source of energy needs to be released.
Notice that I said "released", not found, as the same dammmn Rockfellers have bought up, suppressed and killed off all the major discoveries of free-energy sources in the last 100 years, starting with the killing off of Nikola Tesla's major discoveries about energy. And don't think that the idea of "free energy" itself is a scam...it is not and proof of that will soon finally arrive -- sometime right after or during this year's Olympics, to be exact. Be sure to watch the Olympics this year.
Just understand that the idea of petro being "scarce" in any way is total BS and a scam...a very, very profitable one, at that.
The idea of "Peak Oil" and petro in general is a total scam dreamed up and promoted by the dammmn American oil corporations owned and run by the Rockefellers.
PEAK OIL IS A SCAM!
Want proof? Search this " Deep Russian abiotic oil ". You find out that there's loads and loads of scientific proof -- 50 years worth -- of oil being abiotic by nature and in unlimited supplies.
The idea of it being "scarce" or short in any way is a scam dreamed up by the dammmn Rockefellers, who, long time ago, discovered that there's really massive, massive amounts of oil in the Earth.
"No major oil field finds" in the last few years...that's only because they shorted and underfunded the oil search/exploration; also, there's been a massive underinvestment of refinery capacity by the Rockefellers. In the USA, the home country of the Rockefellers, NO new refinery has been built in the last 30 years and a large number of them have been shut down and taken apart...all this in face of huge increases in demand of oil products. What does THAT tell you?
We have 1000's of years worth of oil to burn. But, the really bigger question is: can our Earth handle any more CO2 from the burning of oil? No, it cannot, hence another major source of energy needs to be released.
Notice that I said "released", not found, as the same dammmn Rockfellers have bought up, suppressed and killed off all the major discoveries of free-energy sources in the last 100 years, starting with the killing off of Nikola Tesla's major discoveries about energy. And don't think that the idea of "free energy" itself is a scam...it is not and proof of that will soon finally arrive -- sometime right after or during this year's Olympics, to be exact. Be sure to watch the Olympics this year.
Just understand that the idea of petro being "scarce" in any way is total BS and a scam...a very, very profitable one, at that.
gboy
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I like what you are saying.
Unfortunately, nothing is limitedless in supply.
As far as free energy goes: there is no such thing!
Cheaper energy , yes.
Nothing is for free.
Except the air you breathe and the sun on your skin.