The Middle East Conflict Thread

adamr said:
you believe in a term called "Radical Islam" ... lol!!!! ...
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Well you dont? Or are you saying all Islam is that way? I think that is what you may be eluding to??

assassin said:
Yeah sure Gary and marine its easy.

treat the Palestinans with dignity and respect, quit ussurping their land maybe then people can demand things from them.

No opressed nation will ever listen to demands,as far as they are concerned Israel has taken too much from them already start giving back.

But if that happened hell would freeze over because israel would have to accept the fact they are wrong.

Don't forget Israel has taken Palestinian land not the other way around. Take a look at the link my signature.
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You dont have a clue about what is going on there.....You do know who is funding and arming Hamas? The MAJORITY voted for a terrorist organisation to lead and that means one thing. They support the destruction of Israel. Israel agreed to a stand down, who broke it every time?
You guys just dont get it. Must be radicals ;)

Oh yes and who stripped them of their rights? Do you know anything about war and being attacked and having the right to defend oneself?
 
marine1 said:
I seriously doubt that. Any self respecting Jew would disagree with your opinion on the situation there. Surely this topic of conversation would come up and you would then tell them they make you sick ?? :rolleyes:
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errr ... whats wrong with condoning the death of innocent people as opposed to your radical view that it is justified ... maybe thats why i have friends ... i got **** to prove to you dude ... maybe i can get far in my life at my age simply cause i get along with people, try it some day ...

look marine1 certainly you dont have any friends beyond your own race/beliefs etc
 
adamr said:
Islam is the following of the teachings in the Quran and now you use Radical Islam ... I dont get this Radical Islam, as you and the media so nicely throw these words out

you send me a google search of "radical islam" ... yes im stupid so explain it to me .... not a google search ... i want a definition, cause there is only one Islam ... no radical Islam ... in no way does Islam/the quran justify the killing of innocent people ...

so you born in 1968 then ... ok time you grew up dont you think ...

to find out how old i am is easy ... use your brains a little, you will get it...

yes i am Muslim, but have a good few Jewish friends ... i suppose you have no Muslim friends ... and guess what dude, we get along :) ...
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The simple providing of the Google link proves that there are enough other people in the world who are able to make the distinction between mainstream Islam and Radical Islam.... 1.3 million pages to be precise.

The fact that you do not see the distinction does not surprise me given your approach in this thread. Your antisemitism is quite obvious.

I posted my age in black and white in this thread.... now you are too chicken to post yours.... that is a little bit hypocritical don't you think. And your comment about me acting my age is also unsurprising since you have failed to make your point using rational debate you now resort to personal attacks?

Actually I have friends in many cultures... esp. those where I have travelled. These include people from almost every religion on the planet.

I wonder what your "Jewish friends" would say of your comments in this thread? Would they shake their heads at your blatant antisemitism?

Unlike you, I have no religious stake in this debate. Perhaps you should try and be a little bit more objective when you read the world news instead of running everything through your rose-coloured Islam is one glasses.

Let me ask you something.... Osama Bin Laden... have you heard of him? He claims to be a good Muslim. So if I read you correctly you are saying that there is no room in Islam for difference and you ascribe to all the he ascribes to?
 
assassin said:
Thats extremely rich Gary. Israel have stripped the palestinans of most of their rights.

Don't you dare for one moment ask why nobody is fighting with the Palestinans we do not defend the radical jihadists, we fight for the innocents that are exploited every day (even more in the last few).

Why don't you get off your high horse and smell the manure ur shovelling Israel has and always will be wrondg for taking the Palestinan lands 'occupied territories').

Those that argue this aren't terrorist they are realists. but i guess as someone said this thread will continue forever or till closed by a mod.

Israel should back off the and leave the occupied territories, yes there are angry Palestinans as there are angry Africans in South africa. If you oppress people what do you expect flowers, Please.

If the Palestinans were treated the same as the jews (yeah right like that will ever happen) maybe then you qwould have an argument and i will probably agree with you that the Palestinans are wrong.
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wait... I thought there was no such thing as a radical Islamist... as your buddy adamr believes???

so which is it?
 
w1z4rd said:
I actually have the solution. Give all sides nukes.. let the problem resolve itself and then just make sure the oil we pump from there has thick lead piping.

Until Islam finds its Mandela and its Ghandi... that area of the world is ganna be a mess.
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Last time I checked SA was a mess :o

Garyvdh said:
1) For the militant and radical Muslim factions to renounce Terror tactics and attacks on innocent people (suicide bombings, rocket attacks, etc.)
2) For them to acknowledge Israel's right to exist as a nation.
3) For them to elect a democratic, credible and capable government
4) For them to concentrate on building infrastructure in Gaza and the West Bank instead of using all their funds to buy weapons.
5) For the other Arab States to stop sponsoring Hamas and other Radical organizations.
6) For them to go to the table with Israel and thrash this thing out with meaningful and sincere dialogue.
7) For the Imams and Muslim clerics to stop preaching Jihad against the West.
8) For Israel to respond in kind and withdraw from the occupied areas and help to re-settle the Palestinian people who want to get on with their lives.

Simple. :)
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+1

No hope of peace until the Palestinians get a responsible and accountable government. Just look at how Egypt and Jordan managed to co exist peacefully with Israel
 
adamr said:
and when has someone used a 5 year old as a shield ... lol!!!!! ... explain ...
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*sigh*

It's a scenario hello. :rolleyes:

None of you have answered the question. Would you accept killing an innocent person if it meant saving the lives of 3 other innocent people?
 
assassin said:
Yeah sure Gary and marine its easy.

treat the Palestinans with dignity and respect, quit ussurping their land maybe then people can demand things from them.

No opressed nation will ever listen to demands,as far as they are concerned Israel has taken too much from them already start giving back.

But if that happened hell would freeze over because israel would have to accept the fact they are wrong.

Don't forget Israel has taken Palestinian land not the other way around. Take a look at the link my signature.
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How do you treat someone who makes home-made rockets to fire into your backyard with respect? How do you treat someone with twenty pounds of dynamite around their chest and their finger on a detonator with respect?

Do you invite him to dinner? :confused:

I have no respect for terrorists. Hamas are bloodthirsty terrorists and child-killers. Do you really believe Allah has a place for murderers in paradise?
Then your religion is more screwed up than we thought.

I shake my hand at them and spit on their graves. Murderers and infidels. Blood-spattering bomb-loving killers.

You can have them.
 
Garyvdh said:
The simple providing of the Google link proves that there are enough other people in the world who are able to make the distinction between mainstream Islam and Radical Islam.... 1.3 million pages to be precise.

The fact that you do not see the distinction does not surprise me given your approach in this thread. Your antisemitism is quite obvious.

I posted my age in black and white in this thread.... now you are too chicken to post yours.... that is a little bit hypocritical don't you think. And your comment about me acting my age is also unsurprising since you have failed to make your point using rational debate you now resort to personal attacks?

Actually I have friends in many cultures... esp. those where I have travelled. These include people from almost every religion on the planet.

I wonder what your "Jewish friends" would say of your comments in this thread? Would they shake their heads at your blatant antisemitism?

Unlike you, I have no religious stake in this debate. Perhaps you should try and be a little bit more objective when you read the world news instead of running everything through your rose-coloured Islam is one glasses.

Let me ask you something.... Osama Bin Laden... have you heard of him? He claims to be a good Muslim. So if I read you correctly you are saying that there is no room in Islam for difference and you ascribe to all the he ascribes to?
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you the one mentioning the words Muslim/Islam in just about every post and you say you aint bringing religion in it ... "radical Islam" is a concocted word from the media .... so i dont get if there is a 100 million hits on this or whatever when you used google ... so yes grow up and see that Islam is a teaching on how one must lead their life and mention is made that the killing of innocents is wrong! ...

so saying the killing of innocents is antisemtic? .... what are you guys on? ... :confused:

you intelligent enough, if you clicked on my profile i got my age displayed ... wow so intelligent and could not figure that one out ... :rolleyes: ... 29

Again my issue is the killing of innocent people and that is just wrong? and you guys say its justified ... and again how is this right? and how is this Anti-Semitic?

Osma Bin Laden aint a good person, he killed innocent people ... guess you have something to comment on that as well
 
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Gaza attacks spark protest across the world

In one of the largest protests, hundreds of demonstrators briefly scuffled with police outside the Israeli embassy in London.......

World reaction against Israel
 
daveza said:
Do you accept that the Gaza assault is likely to create more radical Jihadists ?
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Of course, just as thousand's of rockets falling on Isreali villages is likely to create a hard-line government, some eager army recruits or worse.
Cause & Effect.
 
Garyvdh said:
Ja, me and 1.3 million other web pages.... silly us! :rolleyes:
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yes it is ... think about it for one second...

Raadical Christianity ... what is that? does God the Christian people have a different version of the Old Testament?

Radical Judaism ... what is that?
 
adamr said:
you the one mentioning the words Muslim/Islam in just about every post and you say you aint bringing religion in it ... "radical Islam" is a concocted word from the media .... so i dont get if there is a 100 million hits on this or whatever when you used google ... so yes grow up and see that Islam is a teaching on how one must lead their life and mention is made that the killing of innocents is wrong! ...

so saying the killing of innocents is antisemtic? .... what are you guys on? ... :confused:

you intelligent enough, if you clicked on my profile i got my age displayed ... wow so intelligent and could not figure that one out ... :rolleyes: ... 29

Again my issue is the killing of innocent people and that is just wrong? and you guys say its justified ... and again how is this right? and how is this antisemtic?
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Actually I never once used the word Islam or Muslim without qualifying it by saying that it is radical or extermist.... but if you are too dumb to see the difference... then I am sorry.. there is not much hope for you.

I notice you conveniently forgot to answer my question about Osama Bin Laden? Is he a fellow Muslim? Do you ascribe to what he ascribes to?
 
adamr said:
yes it is ... think about it for one second...

Raadical Christianity ... what is that? does God the Christian people have a different version of the Old Testament?

Radical Judaism ... what is that?
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Hmmm, Wikipedia saves the day again...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

Now I wonder why they have a section on Christian Terrorists???

Hey hey... lookie here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Jihad_Organization

a terrorist organization called Islamic Jihad?

Are these guys also your fellow Muslims?
 
50 innocent Palestinians die in 3 days and there are protests around the world.

50 innocent South Africans are murdered every single day and we get the world cup


Crazy world
 
Garyvdh said:
Actually I never once used the word Islam or Muslim without qualifying it by saying that it is radical or extermist.... but if you are too dumb to see the difference... then I am sorry.. there is not much hope for you.

I notice you conveniently forgot to answer my question about Osama Bin Laden? Is he a fellow Muslim? Do you ascribe to what he ascribes to?
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i did ... sorry, edited my previous post ...

nope Bin Laden aint innocent at all he killed innocent people ...

Gary i have an issue that people associate terrorism with the Islamic faith and islam does not preach such things ... and the media also has done a good job of this (have said this before) .... and there is no such thing as radical islam ... so in the end Islam is just made up of a bunch of terrorits by mentioning that ... when you say radical Islam, you inferring the teachings of Islam are radical, cant you see that? there is no two versions only one version of Islam, the rest of the people who kill innocents under the banner of a muslim name, i don't applaud their actions, actual do condemn it ...

again my issue is the killing of innocents ... (im repeating here again) ... comment on this ... have i actually applauded the Palestinians for killing people, firing their rockets? ... no ... but you, marine1 and Frankie certainly have justified the death of innocents ...
 
I see the AU have condemned Israel [again]

Their condemnation carries about as much weight as Robert Mugabe's presidency in my honest opinion.
 
Ok i see what you saying Gary .. yes of course there are these terms created like "Radical Islam" etc ... I know this ... but what i want you to do is think what those terms mean and what they are actually in the end inferring!

don't associate someones behaviour with the religion ... AGAIN i repeat ... Islam condones killing of innocents ... so saying radical Islam just does not make sense ... yes i do know the term exists but think beyond what the media has fed you! ... cause in the end what does the media achieve, it portrays Islam as being "radical", no compassion for human life and this is just not right!
 
adamr said:
i did ... sorry, edited my previous post ...

nope Bin Laden aint innocent at all he killed innocent people ...

Gary i have an issue that people associate terrorism with the Islamic faith and islam does not preach such things ... and the media also has done a good job of this (have said this before) .... and there is no such thing as radical islam ... so in the end Islam is just made up of a bunch of terrorits by mentioning that ... when you say radical Islam, you inferring the teachings of Islam are radical, cant you see that? there is no two versions only one version of Islam, the rest of the people who kill innocents under the banner of a muslim name, i don't applaud their actions, actual do condemn it ...

again my issue is the killing of innocents ... (im repeating here again) ... comment on this ... have i actually applauded the Palestinians for killing people, firing their rockets? ... no ... but you, marine1 and Frankie certainly have justified the death of innocents ...
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As much as you and I hate it... these radical people are using the name of God to justify what they are doing.

I agree... they are not part of my religion... and I think you agree that they are not part of yours.

But they are our problem. We are the ones who have to deal with the radical elements in our religion. We are the ones who have to condemn them and disassociate ourselves from them.

I don't see that on your part. I see you going on about the innocent children and condemning Israel as the aggressor. But I don't see you condemning Hamas for what they have been doing for years now. This post of yours is actually the first in which you say you condemn it. Now we are getting somewhere.

I don't justify Israeli aggression, I don't condone the killing of innocents and more than you do. But let's be honest and put the blame where it is due.

Hamas could have avoided this present round of conflict by abiding by the peace treaty and by not provoking Israel to attack.

They are just as much to blame for the death of innocents as the "Israeli aggressors"
 
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