Do you think it's just a coincidence that the awesome power of the sun isn't destroying the earth, and that conditions just happen to be ideal for life here and hostile elsewhere? Do you think all this just happened spontaneously/by chance or that there's a being that intentionally and deliberately made this order and continues to maintain it?
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OrbitalDawn
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Why do you think the emergence of life is special? Seems like puddle-thinking to me.
"...imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in, an interesting hole I find myself in, fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!' This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, it's still frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise. I think this may be something we need to be on the watch out for."
- Douglas Adams
HapticSimian
Honorary Master
We don't know whether it is or isn't all over the universe, but given what we know it's reasonable to think it probably is. As for 'magic', it's not needed.
That's ridiculous, there's more reason to believe that there isn't life out there. There isn't any life we have found quite simply....we know there isn't. Say you hope there is but it's definitely not more reasonable to believe there is life out there. Believing there is life is what requires acrobatic mental gymnastics when what is obvious tells us there isn't.
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murraybiscuit
Executive Member
If you want to discuss evilution and the anthropic principle, maybe start your own thread.
HapticSimian
Honorary Master
Just... no. There's no indication that our local little star and its planets are at all special, and space is awfully, awfully big. It's not just more reasonable to think there is life out there, it is infinitely more reasonable than assuming that the rest of the universe is dead. Your little quote is quite irrelevant.
SaiyanZ
Executive Member
Our radio waves have not even reached 0.1% of our own galaxy. It will take almost 2 million years for our radio waves to reach the galaxy nearest to us. Then after that there are billions of other galaxies waiting to be reached.
Right here in our star that is capable of supporting life there isn't any outside of our planet, what makes you think there will be elsewhere? We say something exists or doesn't based on our knowledge and observation. There isn't any life elsewhere. It is like me saying a flying elephant doesn't exist and you saying it should somehow exist because the universe is just too big.
Until we can find life elsewhere the statement "there is no life outside the earth" will continue to be valid.
Until we can find life elsewhere the statement "there is no life outside the earth" will continue to be valid.
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murraybiscuit
Executive Member
What difference does it make anyway?
AlphaJohn
Honorary Master
Oh so you been to the rest of our solar system and did all the test for life. Wow, maybe you should inform the rest of the scientific community as they still haven't excluded most of our solar system, in fact they looking at Europa and Io. Hell we haven't even excluded Mars yet but you want to go and say there is no life outside the planet earth.
Now back to Science,
Funny enough that bacteria has been proven to be able to exist in space and also that they can reach escape velocity thanks to volcano's and meteor strikes. So we can and are seeding the universe with life. In fact one of the Abiogenises theories is that life on earth was seeded and did not start here to begin with.
Either way, I do believe that the topic has been covered in other threads, if not I recon you should take it else where as it has nothing to do with the original post.
The point is that for the earth to be unique amongst billions of stars in having life and intricate systems to support it is not a twist of fate or coincidence. It was designed as such.
murraybiscuit
Executive Member
I don't see how that is implicit.
SaiyanZ
Executive Member
Where is this billions of star systems that we have explored and declared that the earth is unique? This is the first time I've heard of it. We haven't even searched our own solar system properly yet for life. i.e one star system. You go from one system to a billion very easily
You don't need to look at the fine-tuning of the universe for intelligent life or the origin of life or "gaps" in the evolution of life to accept that creation is real and true or accept that nothing can come into being or continue to happen without God creating it and sustaining it in existence. Heck, a puddle will do.
HapticSimian
Honorary Master
I don't think you quite understand the implication of the word 'universe'.
Get your nose out of your holey babble and look up every now and again.
A thinking puddle would be a miracle in itself. Stupid analogy is stupid.
We don't know but given what we know it's reasonable to think it isn't.
I find it really hard to believe that our little rock is the only one with life on it. Do you know how big the universe is? There are hundreds of billions of galaxies, each with billions of stars in them. In addition, the Kepler mission is finding more and more planets now just in our corner of the galaxy.
The idea that in this vastness of stars and planets, ours would be the only one with life does not sound likely to me. If there is anything that history has taught is, it is that Earth isn't special. We gradually had to accept this fact. First we had to accept Earth was not the center of the solar system, then we had to accept that the sun was just an ordinary star in a distant corner of a galaxy of which it is but one of countless others.
I feel fairly certain there is life. Only problem is the vastness of space makes finding it difficult, to say the least.
The idea that in this vastness of stars and planets, ours would be the only one with life does not sound likely to me. If there is anything that history has taught is, it is that Earth isn't special. We gradually had to accept this fact. First we had to accept Earth was not the center of the solar system, then we had to accept that the sun was just an ordinary star in a distant corner of a galaxy of which it is but one of countless others.
I feel fairly certain there is life. Only problem is the vastness of space makes finding it difficult, to say the least.
The search for intelligent life continues. So far we know for sure that there is none on earth.