The Obama Deception

PeterCH said:
Does anyone else here not see that Obama pushing this AIG bonus thing is nothing but cheap populism? It's getting tiring. He should have known (and no doubt knew) these things, now he is jumping on the hoi polloi bandwagon going on about big bonuses but they knew about it all before. Could they have made a screw up?

Anyway Obama took a lot of money as campaign contributions from AIG execs.
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Yeah populism is Obama. Nothing more too him :o
 
Downloaded and watched it. Now to all the people saying this is a pile of horse poo I suggest you watch it before commenting again. This is not to say I believe everything he says in this movie mainly because I havent yet had time to try cross reference and check but there are a few things on their own which I hadnt yet realised that make me seriously concerned. The main thing is who his cabinet/administration are and where they come from. It is blatantly clear that corporations run America and the whole voting and choosing thing they do every four years is just an illusion of choice. This of course makes Joe Soap ok with everything as long as he feels he has a choice.
 
Im downloading it now. Looks like the normal conspiracy theory bs though.
 
so stupid to even give a second of your time to this (this spelled with a s).

Corporations have better things to do than plan global domination and slavery.
 
I've now watched it and it does seem quite far fetched.

One interesting point that they mention is that obama voted to extend the patriot act. I thought he was always preaching about how bad it was.
 
mk1 said:
The Obama Deception is a hard-hitting film that completely destroys the myth that Barack Obama is working for the best interests of the American people. The Obama phenomenon is a hoax carefully crafted by the captains of the New World Order. He is being pushed as savior in an attempt to con the American people into accepting global slavery. We have reached a critical juncture in the New World Order's plans. and only by exposing the con can we help to save freedom in America. The Obama Deception is not about Left or Right: it's about a One World Government. The international banks plan to loot the people of the United States and turn them into slaves on a Global Plantation. Covered in this film: who Obama works for, what lies he has told, and his real agenda, and how his initial appointments and actions prove he serves the corporate oligarchs, not the American people. If you want to know the facts and cut through all the hype, this is the film for you.
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The ultimate question in life you should ask yourself is who you serve and for what purpose and why? Ask yourself that while the conspiracy theorists live the american dream profiteering off paranoia. :eek:
 
subculture said:
The ultimate question in life you should ask yourself is who you serve and for what purpose and why?
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Hopefully serve nothing and nobody,as to serve someone or something, would entail entering into a life of servitude, and why would any sane rational individual enter into a condition in which one lacks the liberty to determine one's own course of action or way of life.

One interesting point that they mention is that obama voted to extend the patriot act. I thought he was always preaching about how bad it was.
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I am not sure about him personally, but a Bill has been entered to extend certain features of the act.
A BILL

To extend certain provisions of the USA PATRIOT Act and the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 for 10 years.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
The patriot act, one George Bush's little constitutional trashing gems, due to expire this december, may not be going away quite so soon. A bill has been introduced in congress to ammend certain sections of the act that would have expired the act this year, the emendments now give this atrocity life until 2019.
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http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1944823.aspx

WRT the idea of a "National Service", there are 2 sides to the issue, good and bad.
The good in creating work, helping communities, the elderly, sick etc, however those points are also weighed against the bad, the idea of putting aside personal preferences for, "a cause greater than yourself." Or the possibility of being penalised for not participating, i.e. not getting work or scholarships if you have not participated.
The idea goes way back to an early draft of the idea of service to a column by Senator McCain penned in 2001:
(Putting the "National" in National Service)
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2001/0110.mccain.html

A later article from September last year give a slightly better idea of some of what is expected and mentions some of the possible "penalties" of not participating. I.E.
Under Barack Obama's plan, a refusal to participate in a national service program touted at the federal level will be punished by the withholding of high school diplomas by the school district in your town. And without that diploma, few colleges or employers will even bother to look at your application.

It's a softer sort of authoritarianism which requires no draft boards, muddles the identity of the "bad guy" and produces no martyrs in handcuffs for the evening news. You just can't get a job if you don't do as you're told.
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http://www.examiner.com/x-536-Civil...--Obamas-very-modern-take-on-national-service

It seems the above idea has been put into play as with the following quote from an article dated 18 March:
House Passes Bipartisan Legislation to Expand and Strengthen National Service
Provides incentives for middle and high school students to engage in service through a Summer of Service program and authorizes up to 25 institutions of higher education to be designated as “Campuses of Service” eligible for grants to encourage students to engage in service during school and in their future careers.
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http://www.nationalservice.gov/about/newsroom/releases_detail.asp?tbl_pr_id=1265

“Campuses of Service” ......Interesting terminology

Home page for National Service, read all about it
http://www.nationalservice.gov/

Or the service plan page:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/service/

We also have the citizens page, great Tshirts as well. :)
http://www.citizenserviceforobama.org/

Shades of Starship trooper universe, be a good citizen by serving. :rolleyes:

and an interesting stub on what the administration likes to call “progressive federalism,”
"The Obama administration seems to be open to a movement known as “progressive federalism,” in which governors and activist state attorneys general have been trying to lead the way on environmental initiatives, consumer protection and other issues, several constitutional experts say.

A recent decision by President Obama that could open the way for California and other states to set their own limits on greenhouse gases from cars and trucks represents a shift in the delicate and often acrimonious relationship between the federal government and the states, legal experts say, possibly signaling a new view of federalism.

“I think it’s quite significant,” said Samuel Issacharoff, a professor of constitutional law at New York University law school. “It shows the Obama administration’s more benign view of government intervention,” Professor Issacharoff said, and “may indicate a spirit of cooperative federalism” in which Washington will look to the states for new ideas and even a measure of guidance.
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The above sounds quite good, however the other side of the coin:
The insidious thing about "progressive federalism" is that it is a one-way street, selectively employed in a manner designed to relentless increase, but never decrease, government power and control. Obama and other statists are more that happy to see command-and-control California set higher-than-federal auto emission standards, in a case of wag the dog regulating. But states that decide to go another way, and regulate below the federal standard -- who decide, for instance, to opt out of certain provisions of the Clean Air Act or Endangered Species Act -- are out of luck, and will find the federal hammer coming down on them.
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Conclusion:
This "laboratory" is designed to produce only one outcome -- more regulation. "Progressive federalism" is another Orwellian attempt to rob words of their meaning -- and might more accurately be described as "faux federalism."
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http://theamericancontrarian.blogspot.com/2009/02/obamas-progressive-federalism-one-way.html

Conspiracies aside, there does seem to be quite a lot of good in the ideas presented, but there is also an underlying darker side, of more controls and regulations that once implemented may not turn out to be all that positive in the long run.
 
I watched the Obama documentary over the weekend. And overall I think it's a money making scheme. There are some aspects of the documentary which I believe are true but the rest are simply to pollute people's minds. I somehow believe that Obama was groomed from a young age, maybe from college, to one day become the next US president which he is now. I believe the people who groomed him are people of industry and large corporations. But I don't think the Bilderberg group have alteria motives such as stealing trillions from the Federal Reserve and establishing a new world order, that's just too far fetched.

I did some research and found interesting facts, like Obama's mother was a distant cousin of Harry Truman and Dick Chaney. I also found out that Obama's mother and Timothy Geithner's dad met a couple of times because of the jobs they were doing.

Overall, conspiracy theory documentaries make money out of people's paranoia, suspicions and doubts.
 
I was going to write the ultimate rebuff to all this ct nonsense, but when I practised a delivery of it last night at my bedroom wall, I came to see that it would have the same effect, so sorry, it's not going to happen.
 
You guys should download the documentary - zeitgeist. Very informative. Just search for it in torrents or google.
 
Just ask: who benefits? If someone benefits, it's possible. If money is involved, anything is possible. Is it possible that corporations control America? Someone benefits, then it's possible.
 
Sly21C said:
I somehow believe that Obama was groomed from a young age, maybe from college, to one day become the next US president which he is now. I believe the people who groomed him are people of industry and large corporations.
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lol:D:D:D

This entire thread is really funny, but this comment gets my vote for most hilariously original thought
 
NaushadE said:
You guys should download the documentary - zeitgeist. Very informative. Just search for it in torrents or google.
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Check the PD section - long thread about it.

I'm kinda looking forward to this New World Order, sounds fantastic.:):):):)
Wish they'd get a move on.
 
alf101 said:
Check the PD section - long thread about it.

I'm kinda looking forward to this New World Order, sounds fantastic.:):):):)
Wish they'd get a move on.
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It's going to take a while. They haven't finished milking yuppies yet
 
Alan said:
It's going to take a while. They haven't finished milking yuppies yet
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They need to work more closely with the Scientologists.
They can wrap up their masterplan within a few years then, apparantly they've been at this since King Solomon's time.

Time to hurry things along now...
 
alf101 said:
They need to work more closely with the Scientologists.
They can wrap up their masterplan within a few years then, apparantly they've been at this since King Solomon's time.

Time to hurry things along now...
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Yeah. The old order sucked anyway so I don't get what the fuss all about.
 
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