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Anyone here planning on abusing the first 'unlimited' offers that are inevitably going to arise when Seacom lands?

I think this is part of the problem with unlimited offers, if everyone was on an unlimited offer the heavy users would be balanced out by the light, but when an expensive option is the only unlimmited one only people who are using more than a limmited one for the same price are going to consider it... w

catch my drift... my money is on a few unlimited offers in the R800.00 range (ADSL BW) coming threw, and the 4mbps guys getting used to the novelty pulling 1TB + a month... which is gonna cause the beginner ISPs to suffer... or am I being naive? (BTW I realise that ISPs who buy BW from upstream providers are not 'capped' ) but as history in the US, Europe, Japan, China has shown, uncapped will be abused, and is it going to be worth it for new ISPs to come into the market with unlimited deals, or are we going to have to wait for the Big Boys like Telkom & Mweb to offer Unlimited?

As an example, I bet the average MWEB user would use about 200% of there current BW if they had unlimited, therefor if Mweb gets back haul at less than 50% of current price, they can offer unlimmited and maintain profits... (in simple math? :o)

Or am I mistaken?
 
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Get this African charity mentality out of your heads
The cable was laid for profit, profit for seacom, and profit for the service providers
You want us to be 1st world? Its also known as capitalism
Forget about unlimited caps while the niche hardcore downloaders are willing to pay per megabyte
 
but, I am already pulling 1 Terabyte a month :D

am I also allowed to moan?
 
Jabberwocky said:
Get this African charity mentality out of your heads
The cable was laid for profit, profit for seacom, and profit for the service providers
You want us to be 1st world? Its also known as capitalism
Forget about unlimited caps while the niche hardcore downloaders are willing to pay per megabyte
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Thats not the international trend, only an Africa trend it seems.
 
No more unlimited! Give every one 200gig and if you want more you must pay the like R20K because you suck the banwith out for the rest of us to be cheap!
 
Empiricism Philosopher said:
No more unlimited! Give every one 200gig and if you want more you must pay the like R20K because you suck the banwith out for the rest of us to be cheap!
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so what happens if I just open two normal 200GB accounts? =/
doesn't make any sense...

we already have uncapped, look at the axxess banners on the top part of most mybb Pages. we just need to get the price down from R1000+ to R500 or so.
 
I'd be happy with 200 gigs, i think its pretty much more than i would really need.

But no most people will moan "i want unlimited" you can do a crap load with 200 gigs man.

What i am actually thinking now is let them keep the unlimited at overly high prices, and make the 200 gigs cheap, so you greedy people cant get your own way and be forced to use 200 gigs.....lol
 
I think some people are just addicted to downloading and are wasting international bandwidth. That is why cheap unlimited offers are a bad idea. You should always pay something for every bit extra used, even if it is R1 a GB. Something to stop you downloading A_night_in_Rural_Utah_8_1987_(VHS-rip.mpeg2v1.0).wmv.torrent [4.4GB] because its free and slowing the rest of us down.
 
Gaz{M} said:
I think some people are just addicted to downloading and are wasting international bandwidth. That is why cheap unlimited offers are a bad idea. You should always pay something for every bit extra used, even if it is R1 a GB. Something to stop you downloading A_night_in_Rural_Utah_8_1987_(VHS-rip.mpeg2v1.0).wmv.torrent [4.4GB] because its free and slowing the rest of us down.
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Maybe people wouldn't be so addicted if you had the option of downloading what ever you want. When I first got my ADSL line I used to do around 60GB a month but a soon as I got used to it dropped and I only downloaded what I needed.
 
I think they should replace most of these "unlimited" account with 100-200 gig caps. Then they can use the rest of the bandwidth for video streaming. Personally I would rather stream my episodes/movies than download them
 
I thought the whole point of unlimited was to download whatever you want? Why should we in South Africa make do with caps when the most of the rest of the world does not even have to buy an "unlimited" account... they are all unlimited by default?

What they should rather do is make all accounts unlimited (within a year we are going to have more bandwidth in South Africa than we can possibly use or know what to do with), and then sell a few ultra-cheap "capped" accounts.

Why settle for less? Seriously? Demand what you are entitled to.

btw, as many of you know I am also very partial to sharing... just give me a shout.
 
Because unlimited means WASTE. We are not in bandwidth abundance yet. We still have years to go before true broadband is common and cheap.

If your water bill was unlimited, would you bother to switch off the tap? If electricity was unlimited, would you turn off lights, computers or heaters/aircon? No. And so the consumption goes up way over the actual demand. Why is this a problem? Because you push up costs for everyone else who isn't wasting - more pipes, more infrastrucure, more capacity and more power is needed to serve this 'waste' to the market. If everyone payed for what they used (even a small amount), then waste is reduced exponentially.

Let me put it another way. If Kippie is downloading 24/7 at 4 Meg on the same DSLAM as low users, then that is 4 Meg less backhaul that the rest of them get to use. So Telkom needs to provision extra backhaul to serve the wasters (or worse, congestion increases). This cost is split into all the costing for the DSLAM, including the low users, medium users and high users. So my Dad's 1GB 384k costs more because you are wasting, not because it costs a lot to serve him for 20 minutes a day.
 
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Gaz{M} said:
Because unlimited means WASTE. We are not in bandwidth abundance yet. We still have years to go before true broadband is common and cheap.

If your water bill was unlimited, would you bother to switch off the tap? If electricity was unlimited, would you turn off lights, computers or heaters/aircon? No. And so the consumption goes up way over the actual demand. Why is this a problem? Because you push up costs for everyone else who isn't wasting - more pipes, more infrastrucure, more capacity and more power is needed to serve this 'waste' to the market. If everyone payed for what they used (even a small amount), then waste is reduced exponentially.

Let me put it another way. If Kippie is downloading 24/7 at 4 Meg on the same DSLAM as low users, then that is 4 Meg less backhaul that the rest of them get to use. So Telkom needs to provision extra backhaul to serve the wasters (or worse, congestion increases). This cost is split into all the costing for the DSLAM, including the low users, medium users and high users. So my Dad's 1GB 384k costs more because you are wasting, not because it costs a lot to serve him for 20 minutes a day.
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How is it wasted, you download what you download, it is a fixed amount at the end of each month. The tap closes automatically, there is no "wastage".

When Seacom goes live we will have access to an immediate 63 gbps. Right now that is 1.4 times what we are currently using. Within another year we will have access to 17 times what we are currently using. Seacom are not even opening up to full capacity because we could not even use all of it right away.

I am paying for both the ADSL line rental and the ISP charge. I am paying a premium for it. I am paying way more for it than your dad is for his measly 384k line and his 1 gig cap. It is my privelege to afford it and to pay for it. My amount that I am paying is more likely to buy increased capacity than what you dad is paying. I am contributing more to it than him.

I use everything I download, several times over. There is not a week that goes by that I do not fill up several hard drives for friends and those who ask. So in essence I am actually saving them money. I have the line, they bring me the requests. no need for them to take out another line and waste money on line rental or ISP charges. Less clog on the exchange. Streamlined usage.
 
Remember

That 1TB doesnt go that far, if we have the bandwidth we could stream HD 1080p Thats a 25mb stream...

Thats about 50GB an hour.. lol, bandwidth abundancy no such thing... we need atleast about 300MBps before we can say "thats more bandwidth than one aplication will ever use" but by the time we get there, it wont be enough, there will be new needs...
 
Garyvdh said:
How is it wasted, you download what you download, it is a fixed amount at the end of each month. The tap closes automatically, there is no "wastage".

When Seacom goes live we will have access to an immediate 63 gbps. Right now that is 1.4 times what we are currently using. Within another year we will have access to 17 times what we are currently using. Seacom are not even opening up to full capacity because we could not even use all of it right away.

I am paying for both the ADSL line rental and the ISP charge. I am paying a premium for it. I am paying way more for it than your dad is for his measly 384k line and his 1 gig cap. It is my privelege to afford it and to pay for it. My amount that I am paying is more likely to buy increased capacity than what you dad is paying. I am contributing more to it than him.

I use everything I download, several times over. There is not a week that goes by that I do not fill up several hard drives for friends and those who ask. So in essence I am actually saving them money. I have the line, they bring me the requests. no need for them to take out another line and waste money on line rental or ISP charges. Less clog on the exchange. Streamlined usage.
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You are not paying 1000 times more than him... lol

look at it this way, to offer you BW costs about 20k per mbps if u use it to its fullist (ya I know unlikely)

you are using a 1000x what a 1GB user is using, therefore it costs the telko company 1000x to provide for you compared to him... ?? (if u are using 1TB)
 
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