The Official Seacom MOAN thread...

pierrehugo said:
Sense at last :D

Now one needs to find out how much the user pool will use if not limmited...

I once read an article that stipulated that 5% of the internet population use 70% of the BW...
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Agreed wholeheartedly about heavy users. Therefore, it is the heavy users who should be limited.
The normal users should not struggle.

Key point here is that the ISPs always have the incentive to lie - as in, even if the bandwidth is not being monopolised by a few individuals, just make more people share the same connection i.e. 40:1 contention.

If users ask - blame it on the 5% - 70% customers. If users buy the argument, then, greater profit. If they dont, well nothing to lose right?




Now in the case of SA - I think, its more a case of government (or individuals in govt) who own shares in Telkom. Since they own shares, it is in their best (private) interest to maximise profit at the cost of SA residents.


Meaning - conflict of interest. A politician will always make money for him/herself rather than the public, although the latter may be the most efficient option.
 
kpopat said:
Now in the case of SA - I think, its more a case of government (or individuals in govt) who own shares in Telkom. Since they own shares, it is in their best (private) interest to maximise profit at the cost of SA residents.

Meaning - conflict of interest. A politician will always make money for him/herself rather than the public, although the latter may be the most efficient option.
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Well, that is exactly the problem there... Greed.

If the government is serious about using telecomms to further education and opportunity, they must cut out the greed and lower the costs.

Fortunately this is just the government to do it because all the old Telkom shareholders were big buddies of Mbeki and are not in favour under this new government. They might find themselves out in the cold.
 
U cant say we have to cap international bandwidth cause there is only a limited supply of it, what about local, that does'nt even touch the sat 3 cable, but we pay the international price even if we use it for local, what ever we use locally could be unlimited cause we'd be the only ones sharing it around south africa.

I really dont see the reason why local is so expensive, what ever people send to each other is still profit made from thin air.

We have to pay the prices they give, and they think because we keep paying there is no need to drop it.

let me know when the okes are ready to go over with thier hammers to break down telkom, i'll be there with my 5 pounder too to knock some walls down.

I'm glad that people are stealing all the copper cables, screw telkom for all they got.
Sorry for the okes who are stuck without internet but let telkom spend some money,
south africa should rip the whole friggen wire system up, i dont care about not having internet if that was to happen, i'll just stick it out until neotel really comes in.

Once neotel is full up and running i am definitly changing over,, i hope telkom loses everything and everyone loses thier jobs and there is nothing left, all of it
 
Amida said:
Maybe people wouldn't be so addicted if you had the option of downloading what ever you want. When I first got my ADSL line I used to do around 60GB a month but a soon as I got used to it dropped and I only downloaded what I needed.
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+1. This is the key reason why uncapped works. When everyone and Garyvdh's 8 friends all have enough cap/speed so they can download stuff themselves when they want it, and it comes down fast enough that it's not worth trying to "plan ahead", then downloading rapidly drops off. I know when I went to the UK for a bit I started off in my South African horde mentality, like a starving man dropped in a all-you-can-eat buffet, but after a while it's just not worth downloading/storing stuff just in case you may eventually use it, you only bother downloading when you actually want something.

Garyvdh said:
@alf101 I have storage of more than 10 Terabytes at home, increasing every month, and I burn to DVDs as much as possible as much as is needed. The main people I share with (about 8 friends) each have an external Terabyte hard drive or MviX. I have sold one Terabyte Mvix every month since December.
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As a slighty off topic note, don't you find it a fat pain to manage a bunch of DVDs? I mean it quickly spirals into the hundreds of DVDs, what do you use to keep track of all that stuff at the moment? You just labelling the DVDs themselves or do you number them and then use a software catalog?
 
km2 said:
As a slighty off topic note, don't you find it a fat pain to manage a bunch of DVDs? I mean it quickly spirals into the hundreds of DVDs, what do you use to keep track of all that stuff at the moment? You just labelling the DVDs themselves or do you number them and then use a software catalog?
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I don't have to manage them... I give them away... free.
 
Garyvdh said:
How is it wasted, you download what you download, it is a fixed amount at the end of each month. The tap closes automatically, there is no "wastage".

When Seacom goes live we will have access to an immediate 63 gbps. Right now that is 1.4 times what we are currently using. Within another year we will have access to 17 times what we are currently using. Seacom are not even opening up to full capacity because we could not even use all of it right away.

I am paying for both the ADSL line rental and the ISP charge. I am paying a premium for it. I am paying way more for it than your dad is for his measly 384k line and his 1 gig cap. It is my privelege to afford it and to pay for it. My amount that I am paying is more likely to buy increased capacity than what you dad is paying. I am contributing more to it than him.



I use everything I download, several times over. There is not a week that goes by that I do not fill up several hard drives for friends and those who ask. So in essence I am actually saving them money. I have the line, they bring me the requests. no need for them to take out another line and waste money on line rental or ISP charges. Less clog on the exchange. Streamlined usage.
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Who is your ISP and what package are you on??
 
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