The PC Build Thread

[Neoprod]

The first video had benchmarks where the cpus were not overclocked, it's not even possible on the majority of b660 boards.

The base TDP of even the 12600k is 50W higher than the max power draw of a 12400 (I don't know offhand what a 12100 would use but I imagine it's even less).

If we listened to just Steve-type reviews, we'd come away with the impression there is no place in the market for a motherboard that can't feed a 12600k at minimum. But where does that leave people looking at the 12100 or 12400 class of CPU? Paying for over-spec'd motherboards.

It would be amazing if even the 2 grand entry-level boards ran a 12900k fine but that's not the case and Steve expecting it to is kinda silly, imo.

 

[ponder]

The base TDP of even the 12600k is 50W higher than the max power draw of a 12400 (I don't know offhand what a 12100 would use but I imagine it's even less).

If we listened to just Steve-type reviews, we'd come away with the impression there is no place in the market for a motherboard that can't feed a 12600k at minimum. But where does that leave people looking at the 12100 or 12400 class of CPU? Paying for over-spec'd motherboards.

It would be amazing if even the 2 grand entry-level boards ran a 12900k fine but that's not the case and Steve expecting it to is kinda silly, imo.

If the manufacturer states their boards support a 125W part specifically mentioning the 125W wattage in their cpu support list then I expect them to deliver.

 

[Barbarian Conan]

The base TDP of even the 12600k is 50W higher than the max power draw of a 12400 (I don't know offhand what a 12100 would use but I imagine it's even less).

If we listened to just Steve-type reviews, we'd come away with the impression there is no place in the market for a motherboard that can't feed a 12600k at minimum. But where does that leave people looking at the 12100 or 12400 class of CPU? Paying for over-spec'd motherboards.

It would be amazing if even the 2 grand entry-level boards ran a 12900k fine but that's not the case and Steve expecting it to is kinda silly, imo.

Maybe for an i3 or something.

I haven't watched the video, so don't know what the problems are, but I suspect VRM temperature plays a role? How will it fare 6 months later on a 12400 when there's a layer of dust on the board and the ambient temp is a nice South African summer temperature? Will it impact boost performance then?

I would rather just spend a little bit more and get something that will definitely be good enough for the life of the CPU, and could possibly even handle an upgrade.

 

[ponder]

Maybe for an i3 or something.

I haven't watched the video, so don't know what the problems are, but I suspect VRM temperature plays a role? How will it fare 6 months later on a 12400 when there's a layer of dust on the board and the ambient temp is a nice South African summer temperature? Will it impact boost performance then?

They were tested in a 21C room in a decent chassis with more fans than average joe would have, despite this you could boil water on some. The throttling happens with 65W non-K parts as well.

 

[Lupus]

They were tested in a 21C room in a decent chassis with more fans than average joe would have, despite this you could boil water on some. The throttling happens with 65W non-K parts as well.

So intel is now the one to use in winter got it.

 

[deesef]

Maybe for an i3 or something.

I haven't watched the video, so don't know what the problems are, but I suspect VRM temperature plays a role? How will it fare 6 months later on a 12400 when there's a layer of dust on the board and the ambient temp is a nice South African summer temperature? Will it impact boost performance then?

I would rather just spend a little bit more and get something that will definitely be good enough for the life of the CPU, and could possibly even handle an upgrade.

I only buy a new CPU every 7 to 8 years. I ALWAYS have to buy a new motherboard too, because I just cannot get the new CPU into the old board, regardless of the size of my shoehorn

 

[Barbarian Conan]

I only buy a new CPU every 7 to 8 years. I ALWAYS have to buy a new motherboard too, because I just cannot get the new CPU into the old board, regardless of the size of my shoehorn

I agree, you shouldn't buy a motherboard (or anything else) only for "in case I want to upgrade", but together with the rest of the points it is something worth considering. A bit more so if you are buying on the lower end.

 

[deesef]

I agree, you shouldn't buy a motherboard (or anything else) only for "in case I want to upgrade", but together with the rest of the points it is something worth considering. A bit more so if you are buying on the lower end.

Agreed. I buy a pc that should last at least 7 years, so the planning should ensure that;
- there is sufficient power to overcome greedy new software; and
- the quality of the components is good enough to last through the years.

 

[_kabal_]

any thoughts on the 3 different Scythe coolers available from Wootware?

I want to use this on a 12400.
Why I am considering an upgrade over the stock cooler:
My gaming PC is in my lounge.
My lounge has an internal combustion fireplace which makes the room nice and toasty in winter, and this is probably not the ideal environment for the stock cooler.

https://www.wootware.co.za/scythe-scfm-2100-fuma-2-rev-b-120mm-black-pwm-premium-high-end-cpu-cooler.html

Scythe SCMG-5200 Mugen 5 Rev.C 120mm Black PWM Nickel-Plated Copper Single-Fan Premium High-End CPU Cooler - Wootware

Buy Scythe SCMG-5200 Mugen 5 Rev.C 120mm Black PWM Nickel-Plated Copper Single-Fan Premium High-End CPU Cooler at Wootware with fast shipping & superb service.

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Scythe SCKTT-2100 Kotetsu Mark II Rev.B 120mm Black PWM Aluminium & Copper Single-Fan Premium High-End CPU Cooler - Wootware

Buy Scythe SCKTT-2100 Kotetsu Mark II Rev.B 120mm Black PWM Aluminium & Copper Single-Fan Premium High-End CPU Cooler at Wootware with fast shipping & superb service.

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[JaseZA]

Thanks for all the input everyone - decided to rather go with the 12600k considering I basically upgrade only every 6 years so the extra performance now will help later down the line. Went Z690 for the same reason. So I get to build a new PC next week!

Do you think I can be lazy and not do a fresh windows install? Literally reformatted 3 weeks ago...

 

[Gtx Gaming]

No need to format im still running same install from windows 7, upgraded to 8 to 10 and 11, changed motherbaords more than 1 and SSD which i just cloned

 

[UrBaN963]

@Gtx Gaming is correct in that it could work. He is also advising a terrible practice.

You're moving to a completely new platform, new chipset, new architecture. Likely different sound controller, LAN controller, every other controller.

Do a fresh install. Doesn't take long and will prevent any manner of potential driver conflicts and instability.

 

[Gtx Gaming]

@Gtx Gaming is correct in that it could work. He is also advising a terrible practice.

You're moving to a completely new platform, new chipset, new architecture. Likely different sound controller, LAN controller, every other controller.

Do a fresh install. Doesn't take long and will prevent any manner of potential driver conflicts and instability.

Indeed nothing beats fresh install.

 

[JaseZA]

Thanks - probably the kick I needed to just do it properly

 

[Barbarian Conan]

@Gtx Gaming is correct in that it could work. He is also advising a terrible practice.

You're moving to a completely new platform, new chipset, new architecture. Likely different sound controller, LAN controller, every other controller.

Do a fresh install. Doesn't take long and will prevent any manner of potential driver conflicts and instability.

I built a chocolatey script to install the latest versions of all software I would use on my systems, stuff like Sublime text, VS Code, Steam, Epic, VLC etc. That, together with Onedrive backup makes subsequent reinstalls much less effort.

Chocolatey - The package manager for Windows

Chocolatey is software management automation for Windows that wraps installers, executables, zips, and scripts into compiled packages. Chocolatey integrates w/SCCM, Puppet, Chef, etc. Chocolatey is trusted by businesses to manage software deployments.

chocolatey.org

 

[UrBaN963]

I built a chocolatey script to install the latest versions of all software I would use on my systems, stuff like Sublime text, VS Code, Steam, Epic, VLC etc. That, together with Onedrive backup makes subsequent reinstalls much less effort.

Chocolatey - The package manager for Windows

Chocolatey is software management automation for Windows that wraps installers, executables, zips, and scripts into compiled packages. Chocolatey integrates w/SCCM, Puppet, Chef, etc. Chocolatey is trusted by businesses to manage software deployments.

chocolatey.org

That's a pretty awesome solution actually. I'm going to steal it when I need a reinstall.

 

[Tech Guy SA]

https://www.wootware.co.za/w/builder/

And ive been working on mine for a year on and off...

i see they have the same "tiny" issue as mine (NR200P case some reason keeps allowing 360mm radiators or overriding the socket attributes rules

 

[_kabal_]

I built a chocolatey script to install the latest versions of all software I would use on my systems, stuff like Sublime text, VS Code, Steam, Epic, VLC etc. That, together with Onedrive backup makes subsequent reinstalls much less effort.

Chocolatey - The package manager for Windows

Chocolatey is software management automation for Windows that wraps installers, executables, zips, and scripts into compiled packages. Chocolatey integrates w/SCCM, Puppet, Chef, etc. Chocolatey is trusted by businesses to manage software deployments.

chocolatey.org

What’s also super useful, if you only have 1 SSD, is 2 partitions.

Then on windows you can do something like this - https://www.windowscentral.com/how-move-default-user-folders-new-drive-windows-10
On Linux you just mount /home to the other drive/partition.

Sure, you still need to reinstall apps, but it makes a clean install much simpler as formatting the “boot” drive is a non issue as it only contains apps and no data.

Also use git to store your “dotfiles”

 

[_kabal_]

any thoughts on the 3 different Scythe coolers available from Wootware?

I want to use this on a 12400.
Why I am considering an upgrade over the stock cooler:
My gaming PC is in my lounge.
My lounge has an internal combustion fireplace which makes the room nice and toasty in winter, and this is probably not the ideal environment for the stock cooler.

https://www.wootware.co.za/scythe-scfm-2100-fuma-2-rev-b-120mm-black-pwm-premium-high-end-cpu-cooler.html

Scythe SCMG-5200 Mugen 5 Rev.C 120mm Black PWM Nickel-Plated Copper Single-Fan Premium High-End CPU Cooler - Wootware

Buy Scythe SCMG-5200 Mugen 5 Rev.C 120mm Black PWM Nickel-Plated Copper Single-Fan Premium High-End CPU Cooler at Wootware with fast shipping & superb service.

www.wootware.co.za

Scythe SCKTT-2100 Kotetsu Mark II Rev.B 120mm Black PWM Aluminium & Copper Single-Fan Premium High-End CPU Cooler - Wootware

Buy Scythe SCKTT-2100 Kotetsu Mark II Rev.B 120mm Black PWM Aluminium & Copper Single-Fan Premium High-End CPU Cooler at Wootware with fast shipping & superb service.

www.wootware.co.za

Absolute unit of a cooler

After running Prime95 for 30 minutes, hwinfo64 is showing Core Temps Maximum 61C.
Idling at around 27/28C.

I don’t have any stock cooler numbers unfortunately

 

[UrBaN963]

Looks fantastic bru!

Except you need to clean the bottom, what kind of a pigpen are you keeping here?