DrJohnZoidberg
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What will the PC be used for primarily?
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What will the PC be used for primarily?
RedViking
Nord of the South
ArchiCAD - CPU important (http://www.archicad.co.nz/support/support-options/system-requirements)
Lumion - GPU important (https://lumion.com/system-requirements.html)
I don't expect it to be top of the range, can upgrade some things over time such as RAM.
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DrJohnZoidberg
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Can't really fault much on that build except for the display which uses a TN panel, I'd try and get an IPS panel or even this VA panel Dell (https://www.wootware.co.za/dell-se2...widescreen-led-backlight-desktop-monitor.html).
8GB of memory is on the slim side but as you say you can upgrade later and RAM prices are a bit insane at the moment.
RedViking
Nord of the South
I agree regarding the monitor. Didn't notice that. Will change it to this one > LG 22MP48 https://www.wootware.co.za/lg-22mp48-22-full-hd-1920x1080-5ms-ips-led-backlit-desktop-monitor.html.
How will a Core i5 8gen compare to the Ryzen?
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DrJohnZoidberg
Honorary Master
I'm not really sure for those applications you use, but if more cores is better for ArchiCAD then the Ryzen will probably be better, if raw single core performance is better then an i5 8600k may be better. I'd maybe do some research on that before you make your purchase. Problem with the i5 is no hyperthreading, which can make a lot of difference if you have core heavy workloads.
RedViking
Nord of the South
I've always just used Intel CPU. Will give the Ryzen a go and see how it performs, just have no experience with Ryzen so this will be a first. I think more cores is better for ArchiCAD.
DrJohnZoidberg
Honorary Master
I was a very early adopter of Ryzen when it came out, got myself a 1700 and it served me well. "Upgraded" to a 2700x a few months ago now and it has some nice improvements with the way it handles the boost clock speeds and has better single thread performance but not worth the premium over the 1700x (I'm just an enthusiast that likes to have the latest things).
Memory speed on Ryzen makes a huge difference though so it's unfortunate that memory prices are so damn high currently otherwise I would have told you to go straight with a 16GB 3200Mhz kit.
RedViking
Nord of the South
I agree. I would prefer to have 16GB min for the PCs, 3200 Mhz even better. But it won't fit within the budget. Memory is easy to upgrade though so for now it will have to do.
Johnatan56
Honorary Master
Yeah, the more threads the better. The Ryzen 1700X should be a bit better for your workload with the extra two cores and 10 threads since ArchiCAD would be able to use all of them.
You don't really lose much going either way.
RedViking
Nord of the South
Cool. Ill see how much money I have access to. Otherwise I might have to lower some of the specs. But will post again if my budget changes and the specs.
Currently I use a Core i7 6700K (bought couple of years ago) which cost double what the 1700X cost.
Johnatan56
Honorary Master
Based on benchmarks, should be around 60-75% faster for those renders that use all the cores/threads, but do you really need to upgrade?
RedViking
Nord of the South
No, I won't upgrade my main PC. This is for a new build. https://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showth...ild-Thread?p=21628657&viewfull=1#post21628657
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Look at the R7 2700 and how it overclocks with the stock cooler compared to the 1700X. If worthwhile you can save about R1040 on the cpu/cooler bringing you closer to 16GB RAM
The 2x00 series does perform better than the 1x00 series. I speak under correction but think the 2700 is pretty much on par with the 1700X and you can always overclock it a bit.
This MB https://www.wootware.co.za/asus-prime-b350m-a-amd-am4-socket-ryzen-micro-atx-motherboard.html is R340 cheaper but please compare the vrm phases and how well it overclocks to the mb you picked, just something to look at.
With the above changes you can get yourself 2x 8GB 3200MHz ram sticks...
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RedViking
Nord of the South
.... thanks again!Look at the R7 2700 and how it overclocks with the stock cooler compared to the 1700X. If worthwhile you can save about R1040 on the cpu/cooler bringing you closer to 16GB RAM
The 2x00 series does perform better than the 1x00 series. I speak under correction but think the 2700 is pretty much on par with the 1700X and you can always overclock it a bit.
This MB https://www.wootware.co.za/asus-prime-b350m-a-amd-am4-socket-ryzen-micro-atx-motherboard.html is R340 cheaper but please compare the vrm phases and how well it overclocks to the mb you picked, just something to look at.
With the above changes you can get yourself 2x 8GB 3200MHz ram sticks...
RogueTr00per
Honorary Master
I have a question please, relating to using the M.2 socket on my Asus H97M-E mobo.
Do they make SATA to M.2 converters so that one can plug a SATA SSD into an M.2 socket? I've only seen converters allowing one to use an M.2 drive in a SATA port.
Do they make SATA to M.2 converters so that one can plug a SATA SSD into an M.2 socket? I've only seen converters allowing one to use an M.2 drive in a SATA port.
RogueTr00per
Honorary Master
Thanks, i wanted to do this because i have an extra SATA SSD lying around but all 4 of my SATA ports are used up.
However, does plugging an M.2 SATA SSD into the M.2 socket on the mobo use up a SATA port or possibly multiple SATA ports? If so then what I am trying to achieve is pointless as I have no extra SATA ports remaining.
So then what I should rather do is get a PCIe M.2 SSD and then it won't use any SATA ports, right?
Generally uses up a SATA port. Check your motherboard manual/specs.
PCIe SSD's are insanely expensive.
You rather get a PCIe Sata expansion card. Not sure what speeds you will get thou.
RogueTr00per
Honorary Master
I'll assume it will use up a SATA port then, my manual doesn't elaborate, all it says is this below (doesn't even say whether its an M or B key slot
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I'm probably better off avoiding M.2 altogether then, given the unknowns with my mobo.
Thanks, good suggestion, something like this then for R400, is that about as cheap as one can get for 2 extra internal SATA ports?
https://raru.co.za/electronics/1784878-vantec-2-channel-4-port-sata-6-gb-s-pcie-host-card
GAD
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Where is the best prices for a gaming pc build in South Africa?
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