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airborne said:
Is it worth getting a AIO water cooler for an AMD CPU vs just an upgraded CPU fan?
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An AIO isn't automatically better, quite the opposite. Rand for Rand, air coolers are better until you get to heat loads that exceed what they can dissipate.

Only 360mm AIO's and up regularly beat out the best air coolers...from a thermals-only point of view, there isn't a need for AIO'S below that size.

It's not magic, it's just mass and surface area.
 
Neoprod said:
An AIO isn't automatically better, quite the opposite. Rand for Rand, air coolers are better until you get to heat loads that exceed what they can dissipate.

Only 360mm AIO's and up regularly beat out the best air coolers...from a thermals-only point of view, there isn't a need for AIO'S below that size.

It's not magic, it's just mass and surface area.
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That's interesting, didn't know that. What are the better air coolers to get?
 
airborne said:
That's interesting, didn't know that. What are the better air coolers to get?
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If you're getting a 5600X, then anything really...that CPU is fine with a 12cm tower cooler. The Hyper 212 is good enough, the Phanteks one at Wootware is a little more money but better and then you get the Be Quiet!, Scythe, Noctua stuff which is quality but costs a bit more.

Depends how much you want to spend - there are options from like 500 bucks up 2 grand-ish though there's diminishing returns the more you spend, like with everything. A Hyper 212 might be a third of the price of an NH-D15 but because the CPU isn't pushing the cooling that hard, you won't see much difference between the 2.
 
Gtx Gaming said:
Noctua d15 is one best air coolers you can go for
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True, although depending on case and RAM, you may only get to attach one of the fans.

Notice how the one fan is offset due to the RAM. If your RAM is much higher, and your case isn't that wide, you might run into problems.

That said, even with one fan it's a great cooler.
 
Neoprod said:
That'll work though that board isn't in the same class as the Aorus WiFi (it's like a grand cheaper so that's to be expected). Make sure you have good airflow through the case as it will get toasty when the 5900x hits top gear.

I stick to Samsung and Sabrent more recently for SSD's...the price difference is worth the peace of mind, personally.
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Okay awesome!
I know nothing about building PC's so what do you mean by "Make sure I have good airflow".
I'm asking wootware to build it for me so I would assume they will handle that?

Or is there something else I need to consider?
And yeah Im fine with a lower class motherboard unless it has some major disadvantage?
 
EventHorizon said:
Okay awesome!
I know nothing about building PC's so what do you mean by "Make sure I have good airflow".
I'm asking wootware to build it for me so I would assume they will handle that?

Or is there something else I need to consider?
And yeah Im fine with a lower class motherboard unless it has some major disadvantage?
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Wootware doing the build is cool - add an extra case fan to your shopping list and ask them to set it up as exhaust.

The P400A doesn't come with any exhaust fans to move warm air out. Or you could move one of the front fans to the back but that would make the front look gappy.

The motherboard is fine - it just gets warm when trying to push a 12 core CPU at full load. If you end up getting the 5600X, it won't matter. If you get the 5900X and the case has good airflow, it again won't be an issue.
 
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Neoprod said:
Wootware doing the build is cool - add an extra case fan to your shopping list and ask them to set it up as exhaust.

The P400A doesn't come with any exhaust fans to move warm air out. Or you could move one of the front fans to the back but that would make the front look gappy.

The motherboard is fine - it just gets warm when trying to push a 12 core CPU at full load. If you end up getting the 5600X, it won't matter. If you get the 5900X and the case has good airflow, it again won't be an issue.
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Okay cool that makes alot of sense thank you.

I am probably gonna end up going with the 5900X.
I just have one last question... so if I get the Aorus WiFi motherboard, will that be a better option for the CPU seeing as its only 1k more? (will it help with the heating)
 
EventHorizon said:
Okay cool that makes alot of sense thank you.

I am probably gonna end up going with the 5900X.
I just have one last question... so if I get the Aorus WiFi motherboard, will that be a better option for the CPU seeing as its only 1k more? (will it help with the heating)
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It's not like the Asrock is going to burn the house down - it just runs hotter than other boards.

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The B550 Pro4 uses the same VRM (power delivery components) as the Phantom Gaming 4 so it can substitute for your comparison.

76C is not terrible for driving a 12 core CPU at the pricepoint the Asrock is at. Things only start becoming a problem in terms of throttling when temps get into the 105C range and higher.

Personally, I wouldn't spend a grand extra for something I can manage with an extra fan.
 
airborne said:
Is it worth getting a AIO water cooler for an AMD CPU vs just an upgraded CPU fan?
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for me - it's "worth" it.
I like the way it looks, and my system is super quite (5900x)

My use-case is not really "temperature sensitive" - I am just running loads of browser tabs and some IDE's
 
_kabal_ said:
for me - it's "worth" it.
I like the way it looks, and my system is super quite (5900x)

My use-case is not really "temperature sensitive" - I am just running loads of browser tabs and some IDE's
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I forgot about the noise aspect, that's very important to me, I hate hearing fans. It seems most AIO solutions are essentially fanless, they use the radiator to dissipate heat?
 
airborne said:
I forgot about the noise aspect, that's very important to me, I hate hearing fans. It seems most AIO solutions are essentially fanless, they use the radiator to dissipate heat?
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They need fans to cool down the radiator, and depending on which AIO you get, you may get some pump noise, too. So it's not entirely noiseless, but considerably quieter than a big-ass cooling fan.
 
The Voice said:
They need fans to cool down the radiator, and depending on which AIO you get, you may get some pump noise, too. So it's not entirely noiseless, but considerably quieter than a big-ass cooling fan.
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Just me being pedantic but the bigger the fan the less noise they generate as you can run them at lower rpm to move the same amount of air. There are also cases using 180/200mm case fans ie Fractal Design Torrent:love:
 
ponder said:
Just me being pedantic but the bigger the fan the less noise they generate as you can run them at lower rpm to move the same amount of air. There are also cases using 180/200mm case fans ie Fractal Design Torrent:love:
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Interesting concept - if space allows. Looking at my rad setup, I'd be lucky to get a pair of 140's on there. I have BeQuiet! Silent Wings on mine anyway, so fan noise is minimal.
 
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