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UrBaN963 said:
Placeholder prices, the same way they do with every single release of new tech ever since the dawn of time. I believe even Noah listed prices of animal meat at R44,000/kg to his passengers on the ark.

Means nothing.

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My bad, I see these are the actual prices. WTFFM.

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According to Moore's Law Is Dead, Nvidia will be shipping 4-5 times more 4090s at launch than they did with Ampere. That is huge, and an indicator that they are expecting good sales. Americans have money.

The sales in the launch month will be telling whether Nvidia has correctly positioned the 4090.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
According to Moore's Law Is Dead, Nvidia will be shipping 4-5 times more 4090s at launch than they did with Ampere. That is huge, and an indicator that they are expecting good sales. Americans have money.

The sales in the launch month will be telling whether Nvidia has correctly positioned the 4090.
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OTOH, they negotiated and paid for wafer capacity in December 2021 - the number of chips they're producing (and how much they're contracted to TSMC for) might have been based on demand that doesn't exist anymore. And they have to produce them because TSMC are getting paid either way.

I reckon they're going to have a surplus.
 
Neoprod said:
OTOH, they negotiated and paid for wafer capacity in December 2021 - the number of chips they're producing (and how much they're contracted to TSMC for) might have been based on demand that doesn't exist anymore. And they have to produce them because TSMC are getting paid either way.

I reckon they're going to have a surplus.
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Same, especially at the high-end. If they're smart they'll use more wafer for 4060-tier cards which is where the majority of their sales will be. Better ROI for them and they'll sell far more.
 
Neoprod said:
OTOH, they negotiated and paid for wafer capacity in December 2021 - the number of chips they're producing (and how much they're contracted to TSMC for) might have been based on demand that doesn't exist anymore. And they have to produce them because TSMC are getting paid either way.

I reckon they're going to have a surplus.
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They still had the choice to package those chips in segments positioned below the 4090. In the case the launch supply is sold out, then it is a success irrespective of what the price said. As with all business, it is the sales doing the talking, so I will leave it at that.
 
UrBaN963 said:
Same, especially at the high-end. If they're smart they'll use more wafer for 4060-tier cards which is where the majority of their sales will be. Better ROI for them and they'll sell far more.
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How do you know what, what if Nvidia's market data is contrary to your point?
 
Fulcrum29 said:
How do you know what, what if Nvidia's market data is contrary to your point?
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RTX 3060 sales are 7x RTX 3090 sales, at least amongst gamers.

Given the mining segment is dead, the average person on the street who doesn't have mining money isn't buying the top-tier card.

RTX 3060 Launch MSRP - $329
RTX 3090 Launch MSRP - $1,499
 
UrBaN963 said:
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RTX 3060 sales are 7x RTX 3090 sales, at least amongst gamers.
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That data is not definitive; it is indicative of use, yes, but the only relevancy is new sales. Besides, not everyone is opting into Steam for data collection.

UrBaN963 said:
Given the mining segment is dead, the average person on the street who doesn't have mining money isn't buying the top-tier card.
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The GPU mining segment isn't dead; it is stalled for an uncertain amount of time due to market conditions, and it is not if 'Gaming' PCs have stopped mining either. Those hashrates which was allegedly obliterated by the ETH merge are coming from somewhere and there are loads and loads of single GPUs (by hashrate estimates) running on pools. This is besides the point, if the RTX 4000 series is profitable at any point during its lifecycle it will be bought up. Scalping will continue regardless, but with a larger supply volume retail would be more accessible.

UrBaN963 said:
RTX 3060 Launch MSRP - $329
RTX 3090 Launch MSRP - $1,499
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Which brings me to the street price. For those who weren't early paid almost double the price for those GPUs.

The Verge had a good break down,

www.theverge.com

The true price of a PlayStation 5

How much are the PS5, Xbox Series X, RTX 3080 and RX 6800 actually worth?
www.theverge.com www.theverge.com

Nvidia RTX 3090 (MSRP $1,499 / Street price $2,076)
Nvidia RTX 3080 (MSRP $699 / Street price $1,227)
Nvidia RTX 3070 (MSRP $499 / Street price $819)
Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti (MSRP $399 / Street price $675)
AMD RX 6800 XT (MSRP $649 / Street price $1,232)
AMD RX 6800 (MSRP $579 / Street price $841)

as much as there are disgruntled consumers, most whom are not in the target market of the 4090, the 4090 will be more affordable than the 3090. The same will apply to the 4080, 4070, 4060 and 4050. At the end of the day, there will be more new and more accessible GPUs for everyone. Nvidia is totally expecting to compete against their own RTX 3000 series in the used market, but there aren't that many 'mining' GPUs dropping that the influencers want everyone to believe so that dead GPU segment is holding on for whatever comes next.

For most here, people better hope that AMD is disruptive with their pricing because Intel isn't disruptive with Arc.

Just to add, for those upgrading or new PC buyers, you all better hope that Ergo doesn't kick off because then GPU prices, from any maker, will be just as bullish as crypto.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
That data is not definitive; it is indicative of use, yes, but the only relevancy is new sales. Besides, not everyone is opting into Steam for data collection.



The GPU mining segment isn't dead; it is stalled for an uncertain amount of time due to market conditions, and it is not if 'Gaming' PCs have stopped mining either. Those hashrates which was allegedly obliterated by the ETH merge are coming from somewhere and there are loads and loads of single GPUs (by hashrate estimates) running on pools. This is besides the point, if the RTX 4000 series is profitable at any point during its lifecycle it will be bought up. Scalping will continue regardless, but with a larger supply volume retail would be more accessible.



Which brings me to the street price. For those who weren't early paid almost double the price for those GPUs.

The Verge had a good break down,

www.theverge.com

The true price of a PlayStation 5

How much are the PS5, Xbox Series X, RTX 3080 and RX 6800 actually worth?
www.theverge.com www.theverge.com

Nvidia RTX 3090 (MSRP $1,499 / Street price $2,076)
Nvidia RTX 3080 (MSRP $699 / Street price $1,227)
Nvidia RTX 3070 (MSRP $499 / Street price $819)
Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti (MSRP $399 / Street price $675)
AMD RX 6800 XT (MSRP $649 / Street price $1,232)
AMD RX 6800 (MSRP $579 / Street price $841)

as much as there are disgruntled consumers, most whom are not in the target market of the 4090, the 4090 will be more affordable than the 3090. The same will apply to the 4080, 4070, 4060 and 4050. At the end of the day, there will be more new and more accessible GPUs for everyone. Nvidia is totally expecting to compete against their own RTX 3000 series in the used market, but there aren't that many 'mining' GPUs dropping that the influencers want everyone to believe so that dead GPU segment is holding on for whatever comes next.

For most here, people better hope that AMD is disruptive with their pricing because Intel isn't disruptive with Arc.

Just to add, for those upgrading or new PC buyers, you all better hope that Ergo doesn't kick off because then GPU prices, from any maker, will be just as bullish as crypto.
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It's fairly basic. The wafer has a set price.

The more units per wafer, the more profit. Also with relatively yields, the chances of failure on the smaller dies are lower. Again, more profit. Cheaper bulk sales beat expensive marginal sales every time.
 
UrBaN963 said:
It's fairly basic. The wafer has a set price.

The more units per wafer, the more profit. Also with relatively yields, the chances of failure on the smaller dies are lower. Again, more profit. Cheaper bulk sales beat expensive marginal sales every time.
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The wafer is not all there is to the BOM and logistics, never mind their market strategy. Anyhow, I am going way OT in a thread where recommendations are the subject.

I will say this simple word, “inflation”, and on our current course, it will get far worse before it gets better. If there is anyone who wants to buy a RTX 4000 series but can't afford a RTX 4000 series GPU, better start saving now for the next generation or look to the used market, discounted RTX 3000 series or explore the competition. As it stands, I doubt AMD will take the risk to disrupt the market within its current state.
 
Neoprod said:
Not anytime soon...consumers are giving AM5 the finger according to Hardware Unboxed i.e. people would rather upgrade their AM4 rigs like you're doing.

I think the price of the 5800x3d isn't going to change till it goes out of stock forever one day - it's not a volume model like a 5600x. No incentive to change the price if more people on AM4 are looking to grab one than AMD are making.

Grab it if you're going to get it.
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Or at least until there are cheaper AM5 motherboards and the DDR5 comes down a bit more as well.
 
UrBaN963 said:
It's fairly basic. The wafer has a set price.

The more units per wafer, the more profit. Also with relatively yields, the chances of failure on the smaller dies are lower. Again, more profit. Cheaper bulk sales beat expensive marginal sales every time.
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I'm sure the profit margins on the xx90 cards are much, much higher than that of the xx60 cards. Then the could probably also use the failed wafers in some of the lower SKUs.
There's a reason they always lead with the top tier cards before going with the mainstream cards.
 
stefan9 said:
There aren't any cheap am5 boards. Titan Ice and wootware have started listing b650 pricing. Cheapest is R6.5k and one gigabyte is R10k.
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I think there's some early adopter \ launch day tax in there. That Asus TUF Gaming should be a grand cheaper, imo. There is a jump though - the B550 TUF Gaming launched at $180 (currently around $150-160), the B650 is $240.

Entry level around 4 grand-ish, maybe.
 
The Voice said:
4090 reviews are out. Not really worth it for 1440p, but it seems like we finally have a proper 4K card:

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The problem with this halo GPU is that it is limited by the CPU, and with the next generation GPUs I don't even believe that 1080p will be relevant any more.
 
Nike7 said:
AMD is bundling the Uncharted collection with Ryzen 5000 CPU’s.

www.techspot.com

AMD bundles Uncharted collection with Ryzen 5000 CPUs

For a limited time, AMD will give away free Steam keys for the upcoming Uncharted: Legacy of Thieve's Collection with nine Ryzen 5000 series CPUs. The former...
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also saw that certain places in the US were offering free DDR5 ram

AMDs biggest competitor is currently AMD (AM4)
 
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