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[ShloshMalosh]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1157952346388914177

 

[stefan9]

CSA moving to a football style management structure. Corrie van Zyl acting director and will appoint coaching staff for India.

Boucher or prince as coach. Graeme Smith as director of cricket pls.

https://m.sport24.co.za/Cricket/Pro...he-shots-as-csa-restructures-proteas-20190804

 

[DanDango]

Steyn announces retirement from Test cricket
https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/109232/steyn-announces-retirement-from-test-cricket

Dale Steyn, the legendary South African pacer, has announced his retirement from Test cricket. The 36-year-old said that he made the decision to prolong his career. Steyn, though, will continue to be on a national contract in white-ball cricket and therefore is available to play for South Africa in One-Day and T20 Internationals.

In his retirement statement, the fast bowler spoke highly of Test cricket, confessing how he found it to be the "best version of the game".

"Today I walk away from a format of the game I love so much. In my opinion Test cricket is the best version of this game," Steyn said. "It tests you mentally, physically, emotionally. It's terrible to consider never playing another Test again but what's more terrifying is the thought of never playing again at all. So I will be focusing on ODIs and T20s for the rest of my career to maximise my full potential and ensure my longevity in this sport. I'd like to thank everyone in cricket, no one specific, because everyone has been a part of my journey. And I look forward to continuing to play for the Proteas in the shorter formats," he added.

The great South African paceman has been laid low by a spate of injuries in recent times. In December 2015, he injured his shoulder in the Durban Test versus England and was ruled out of the rest of the rubber. Dr Steve Roche conducted the surgery to re-attach his coracaid. Unfortunately, for Steyn, he again injured the coracaid process - which in turn helps to articulate the tip of the upper arm (called the humerus) and the collar bone - during the Perth Test in 2016. Steyn returned for the Test series against India in 2018, but only to sustain a "freakish" foot injury.

He made a successful comeback to the Test arena during the 2018-19, playing against Pakistan and Sri Lanka. However, he suffered another shoulder problem during the IPL 2019 and subsequently, couldn't play in the World Cup due to the injury.

"Today I walk away from a format of the game I love so much. In my opinion Test cricket is the best version of this game," Steyn said. "It tests you mentally, physically, emotionally. It's terrible to consider never playing another Test again but what's more terrifying is the thought of never playing again at all. So I will be focusing on ODIs and T20s for the rest of my career to maximise my full potential and ensure my longevity in this sport. I'd like to thank everyone in cricket, no one specific, because everyone has been a part of my journey. And I look forward to continuing to play for the Proteas in the shorter formats," he added.

Steyn, who made his Test debut way back in December 2004 against England at Port Elizabeth, found his way into the Test side on the back of a fine show in the 2004-05 domestic season, which included a five-wicket haul against Warriors in October. On his Test debut, Steyn showed promise by bagging the scalps of both Marcus Trescothick and Michael Vaughan.

Steyn ends his Test career as South Africa's highest wicket-taker with 439 scalps at just 22.95. He picked up a rich haul of 26 five-wicket hauls, including game-changing spells on subcontinental wickets of Karachi, Nagpur and Galle. He was also instrumental in helping South Africa post a historic Test series win in Australia in 2008-09 by picking up a 10-wicket haul in the match and also a crucial fifty in the MCG Test.

 

[AirWolf]

How is it our older guys have to retire from tests and other counties like England and Australia retain the older guys in tests while not picking them for the shorter formats?

 

[pinball wizard]

How is it our older guys have to retire from tests and other counties like England and Australia retain the older guys in tests while not picking them for the shorter formats?

Cause other countries pay their players enough as test cricketers, the CSA as with everything else in SA is pretty much functionally bankrupt. Our guys have to maximise their earning in the T20 leagues while in their prime.

 

[ShloshMalosh]

https://www.sport24.co.za/Cricket/P...sons-fractured-relationship-with-csa-20190806

Hmmm....

 

[3WA]

How is it our older guys have to retire from tests and other counties like England and Australia retain the older guys in tests while not picking them for the shorter formats?

In Steyn's specific case it looks more like a case of what his body can handle. I have no doubt that he'd have preferred to continue with tests rather than limited overs. He's said as much.

It's the same in other countries. Dhoni, Watto, McCullum etc. are all examples of people who continued with limited overs after they stopped tests. Natural part of aging.

 

[WaxLyrical]

https://www.sport24.co.za/Cricket/P...sons-fractured-relationship-with-csa-20190806

Hmmm....

It's a steaming pile which they took it to England, and it showed.

 

[ShloshMalosh]

Faf retained as test captain but the white ball captain will be decided.

I suppose there had to be repercussions... he did captain our worst performing WC side.

I suspect that Aiden will be installed as white ball captain as part of a succession plan

 

[3WA]

Faf retained as test captain but the white ball captain will be decided.

I suppose there had to be repercussions... he did captain our worst performing WC side.

I suspect that Aiden will be installed as white ball captain as part of a succession plan

I suspect you're right about Aiden, although I'm not even sure if he's cemented his white-ball place in the side yet! I worry about how quickly they're transforming him into the Chosen One.

Can't think of another option - Rabada, de Kock, Miller, vd Dassen, Phehlukwayo?

Only KG and Rassie seems like they'd have an outside chance against Aiden. Or maybe Steyn?

 

[ShloshMalosh]

I suspect you're right about Aiden, although I'm not even sure if he's cemented his white-ball place in the side yet! I worry about how quickly they're transforming him into the Chosen One.

Can't think of another option - Rabada, de Kock, Miller, vd Dassen, Phehlukwayo?

Only KG and Rassie seems like they'd have an outside chance against Aiden. Or maybe Steyn?

Personally I'm not a fan of bowler captains, but thats just me.

You are right in that there isnt anyone else with 2023 in mind.

Regarding Aiden, He is still very early in his ODI career so do give him some time. You'll remember that many a player needed time to settle. With Aiden we've also batted him up and down the order. There will need to be a clear decision on where he needs to bat.

Riley, QDK, ABD all struggled in their 1st 30 odd innings and got out after getting starts.

 

[3WA]

Personally I'm not a fan of bowler captains, but thats just me.

You are right in that there isnt anyone else with 2023 in mind.

Regarding Aiden, He is still very early in his ODI career so do give him some time. You'll remember that many a player needed time to settle. With Aiden we've also batted him up and down the order. There will need to be a clear decision on where he needs to bat.

Riley, QDK, ABD all struggled in their 1st 30 odd innings and got out after getting starts.

I fully agree that Aiden is the future, BUT, I worry that it's a little too soon for him. He should work his way up, have a run where he only has to worry about batting, not captaincy. Let someone else have the high-pressure job for a bit.
My view is that anointing him this early and creating that whole "Chosen One who will deliver the World Cup" narrative is self-defeating.

 

[ShloshMalosh]

I fully agree that Aiden is the future, BUT, I worry that it's a little too soon for him. He should work his way up, have a run where he only has to worry about batting, not captaincy. Let someone else have the high-pressure job for a bit.
My view is that anointing him this early and creating that whole "Chosen One who will deliver the World Cup" narrative is self-defeating.

One could argue it both ways i guess, Biff was made captain young... and while he never delivered a WC, he did captain the team to many successes in both ODI and Test cricket. But he was shaky at the start and we knew that he would be. We gave him time to grow into the role and he became one of the greatest test captains of all time.

I think as long as we understand that its a 4 year plan and that the captain, the management and the team will need time then thats ok. it will be CSA's job to do the "marketing" on that front.

Remember england after WC 2015. They didnt just turn it around over night it took time and it needed the backing and support from the administrators and the fans.

I have no doubt that given the right support, Aiden will show us what he can do. He's the real deal!

 

[stefan9]

Aiden is the only natural captain in the squad, besides faf. The other options are no captains, would be like when we made ab captain cause he was the best player.

Maybe a bit soon but with faf not being the captain in white ball cricket going forward it simple has to be aiden.

 

[WaxLyrical]

I suspect you're right about Aiden, although I'm not even sure if he's cemented his white-ball place in the side yet! I worry about how quickly they're transforming him into the Chosen One.

Can't think of another option - Rabada, de Kock, Miller, vd Dassen, Phehlukwayo?

Only KG and Rassie seems like they'd have an outside chance against Aiden. Or maybe Steyn?

Laughable to suggest any of those guys could be captain so Aiden it is. Will just have to grow into the side.

Remember he captained both KG and Dekock to win the U/19 world cup.

 

[My_King]

I have Protea fire as I'm sitting at my desk, thinking about the deployment I have to do this evening.

 

[3WA]

Laughable to suggest any of those guys could be captain so Aiden it is. Will just have to grow into the side.

Remember he captained both KG and Dekock to win the U/19 world cup.

He's also captained the ODI team before (vs India in 2018).

 

[stefan9]

Laughable to suggest any of those guys could be captain so Aiden it is. Will just have to grow into the side.

Remember he captained both KG and Dekock to win the U/19 world cup.

Not qdk, he was the team before.

Aiden's side included kg and andile was a squad player. Aiden was top run scorer and KG top wicket taker when they won.

 

[Polymathic]

 

[ShloshMalosh]

We forgot about temba