The RTX 4000 Thread

[Jean Claude Vaaldamme]

Definitedly but just becareful its not a mined card your picking up. As lot of the people selling those cards either bought them from miners. Make sure to do the test and its nice if you can get one with a warranty.

Well secondhand is always some risk, but I don't think they fail that easy. My son has a rx 480 ex mining card he bought for 1k a few years ago and still going perfect. That thing played games in Covid at least 10hours a day. We haven't even repasted it ever.

 

[quake786]

But the RTX 30 series are still within there warranty period and there are tons available. So its a plus. PS those older yes got an old 1080 which is also still running brilliantly. I guess the biggest variable is who mined the card. Which is exactly why its safer to test first.

 

[InternetSwag]

Eh, its like 3-5k more than I want to spend.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Due to crypto mining and scalpers it was much higher.
4080 shouldn't be $1,199, some AIB cards are as high as $1,499

Those conditions haven't changed, yet.

Nvidia could have restructured their entire product matrix. For people to have the argument they are having, then the 3080 has to be equal to the 4080, but being a newer generation, yet, architecturally they aren’t the same. I know, consumers want to take part in this decision-making, but they almost always ignore market conditions as much as reviewers speak to their audience and partly, and within discretion, to their promoters.

Yes, I do believe the 4080 is an expensive GPU, but I am not the target market, yet, everyone believes that they are, and yes, price trickles down as per the product positioning.

AMD also played it well to have two models at the top-end, because the XTX expansion adds a new slot to AMD's product matrix. They didn't have to launch an RX 7800 XT to compete with Nvidia's RTX 4080. It changes the consumers' perception. Is a RX 7800 XT now going to compete with a 4070 Ti, the RX 6800 XT competed with the RTX 3080, no?

AMD didn't keep within the same price levels as they make it out to be. A RX 7950 XT / XTX may be priced considerably higher, but there is a good chance that it will have the memory bandwidth to compete at a higher price point.

It is also known that the leaked AIB RTX 2080 BOM was incredibly high, so I don't even want to know what the RTX 3000/4000 series costs to produce. Market conditions impacts production too, but that isn't the consumers concern.

Now, people better hope that AMD has a good product launch and that Nvidia positively reacts to that launch. We need disruption, and neither AMD nor Nvidia is championing that and Intel will still slouch some generations behind until they can catch up, but will they be disruptive? I don't see better market conditions in the next two years, and it may get worse.

Consumers want to buy an RTX 4080 at $1,199, they have a right to do so. There won't be as many 4080s as 4090s in this cycle so the chances that Nvidia change their pricing strategy during this holiday season are slim unless the 4090s price is lowered, but who knows?

People need to know, some countries still have very high household consumption and consumer expenditure which dwarves us. In times a probable recession can spank us into having a new GPU being the last thing on our minds.

I can't disagree that it is disappointing, but the reality is that we simply don't earn enough, but this is a whole other conversation since it is complex and that people are battling to keep their employment.

 

[quake786]

Those conditions haven't changed, yet.

Nvidia could have restructured their entire product matrix. For people to have the argument they are having, then the 3080 has to be equal to the 4080, but being a newer generation, yet, architecturally they aren’t the same. I know, consumers want to take part in this decision-making, but they almost always ignore market conditions as much as reviewers speak to their audience and partly, and within discretion, to their promoters.

Yes, I do believe the 4080 is an expensive GPU, but I am not the target market, yet, everyone believes that they are, and yes, price trickles down as per the product positioning.

AMD also played it well to have two models at the top-end, because the XTX expansion adds a new slot to AMD's product matrix. They didn't have to launch an RX 7800 XT to compete with Nvidia's RTX 4080. It changes the consumers' perception. Is a RX 7800 XT now going to compete with a 4070 Ti, the RX 6800 XT competed with the RTX 3080, no?

AMD didn't keep within the same price levels as they make it out to be. A RX 7950 XT / XTX may be priced considerably higher, but there is a good chance that it will have the memory bandwidth to compete at a higher price point.

It is also known that the leaked AIB RTX 2080 BOM was incredibly high, so I don't even want to know what the RTX 3000/4000 series costs to produce. Market conditions impacts production too, but that isn't the consumers concern.

Now, people better hope that AMD has a good product launch and that Nvidia positively reacts to that launch. We need disruption, and neither AMD nor Nvidia is championing that and Intel will still slouch some generations behind until they can catch up, but will they be disruptive? I don't see better market conditions in the next two years, and it may get worse.

Consumers want to buy an RTX 4080 at $1,199, they have a right to do so. There won't be as many 4080s as 4090s in this cycle so the chances that Nvidia change their pricing strategy during this holiday season are slim unless the 4090s price is lowered, but who knows?

People need to know, some countries still have very high household consumption and consumer expenditure which dwarves us. In times a probable recession can spank us into having a new GPU being the last thing on our minds.

I can't disagree that it is disappointing, but the reality is that we simply don't earn enough, but this is a whole other conversation since it is complex and that people are battling to keep their employment.

That is true especially for us here in SA it become way more expensive due to the exchange rate and additional import taxes. But take into account one final factor that the RTX 40 series is being promoted mostly as a 4K video card so unless you actual plan to game in that resolution there's very little improvement. And I think the RTX3070 or even 3060 is the perfect card for most gamers.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Finally Gamers Nexus got it to melt, good takeaway points,

 

[stefan9]

If your looking for a 3060ti, it's easy to find one secondhand for R5500/R6000
That was not possible a few months back. Rand dollar determines the price of new cards.

Rand/Dollar is not the only factor. SA is and have always been shafted by the middle men who bring the cards into SA.

 

[Scooby_Doo]

Going to dip into a previous gen on black Friday. Get some value.

 

[Herr der Verboten]

Rand/Dollar is not the only factor. SA is and have always been shafted by the middle men who bring the cards into SA.

+my 3080 was 14500 (new) not 20-50k which is pretty much inline as to the 8-12k range back then when I got my 1070 ti from rectron/sahara.

 

[Herr der Verboten]

Finally Gamers Nexus got it to melt, good takeaway points,

Thanks that was interesting. Wonder how this* will affect cable management in a tidy and neat case, because some people really go maxxx with the bending and pulling.

*even if low percentage of fails.

 

[ponder]

They wont be in trouble, AMD answer to DLSS is a joke

FSR2.1 really isn't bad. FSR will eventually be available in the majority of titles seeing as it will be used by the consoles which has a way bigger market share than PC gaming.

If you look at a moving image on a screen instead of a paused single frame blown up 400% I doubt most people would notice a difference.

 

[Fulcrum29]

The GPU which won't sell...

That Was Stressful: Nvidia's GeForce RTX 4080 Sells Out Fast, Faces Online Snafus

Best Buy again ran out of stock of the Founders Edition RTX 4080 almost instantly, while Newegg's website was briefly preventing users from completing purchases.

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That Was Stressful: Nvidia's GeForce RTX 4080 Sells Out Fast, Faces Online Snafus​

Best Buy again ran out of stock of the Founders Edition RTX 4080 almost instantly, while Newegg's website was briefly preventing users from completing purchases.

If you tried to buy Nvidia’s GeForce RTX 4080 on launch day, you may have wanted to smash your computer at one point.

On Wednesday morning, retailers began selling Nvidia’s next-generation graphics card, but a technical snafu at Newegg briefly made it impossible for at least some customers to complete their online purchases.

The sales began at 6 a.m. PST when Newegg began releasing its RTX 4080 stock to consumers. The only problem? You could add various RTX 4080 models to your cart. But if you tried to complete the checkout process, the product would disappear from your cart.

For over half an hour, we repeatedly kept trying to purchase an RTX 4080 graphics card from Newegg using various browsers only to fail. It wasn't until 6:37 a.m. when we were finally able to add the RTX 4080 models to cart and reach the final stage of the checkout process.

By then, the most affordable RTX 4080 units at $1,199 had already sold out on Newegg. Nevertheless, we had the chance to buy a Gigabyte RTX 4080 at $1,239 and several other models for a brief window of 10 to 15 minutes before all the products had nearly sold out.

 

[wizardofid]

LOl people paid the same prices for their 3080's last year and now they can get 9k for them secondhand

That is only because the secondhand market is flooded with GPU's. If you lucky you can pick up a 1660 Ti for 2.5k. 3060ti for 5.4 and 2080Ti for 6k ish. Once the market dries up a bit prices in the secondhand market will start to normalize a bit better.

 

[Fulcrum29]

 

[L-Dog]

Wonder how the laptops will performan, the price will be ridiculous but the efficiency upgrade looking good for the future

 

[Fulcrum29]

Leaked RX 7900 XTX benchmarks are out, it is Geekbench only...

AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX has been tested with Geekbench, 15% faster than RTX 4080 in Vulkan - VideoCardz.com

AMD RX 7900 XTX in first synthetic tests AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX is now being tested by reviewers. Someone has been testing AMD’s first Radeon 7000 GPU with Geekbench software. The card tested is the RX 7900 XTX, the flagship RDNA3 card featuring full Navi 31 GPU. AMD RX 7900 XTX was paired with […]

videocardz.com

but to take note,

Unfortunately, official Geekbench Compute charts were not updated with new SKUs. For this reason, graphics cards such as RTX 4090, RTX 4080 or even RX 6950XT are not listed there. What this means is that we have to rely on manual data collection with simple methodology: same API, same operating system and excluding the outliers.

and "Team Red" enthusiasts are celebrating this win, and placed emphasis on that AMD didn't lie at their announcement. Yeah, no. That is a Vulkan synthetic bench win with unknown outliers.

However, and the reason why I am posting in this thread is that this could spur Nvidia on to dropping the 4080s price sooner than anticipated, and that will be good.