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Did Pieter de Villiers, Strauli or Allister Coetzee have record losses against Argentina or Japan?
Did any other Bok coach pick world cup squads with old over the hill players or semi injured players just because he likes or are friends with them? He was the worst thing ever to happen to SA rugby.
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
Did Pieter de Villiers, Strauli or Allister Coetzee have record losses against Argentina or Japan?
Did any other Bok coach pick world cup squads with old over the hill players or semi injured players just because he likes or are friends with them? He was the worst thing ever to happen to SA rugby.
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If Arg and Japan are your only barometer, then you have a good point.
 
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Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
Did any other Bok coach pick world cup squads with old over the hill players or semi injured players just because he likes or are friends with them? He was the worst thing ever to happen to SA rugby.
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Which players are you referring to? The 2015 squad was a great squad.. came within a drop goal of beating the greatest rugby side of all time, for a place in the final... bear in mind quotas were a thing back in 2015...

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sand_man said:
Which players are you referring to? The 2015 squad was a great squad.. came within a drop goal of beating the greatest rugby side of all time, for a place in the final... bear in mind quotas were a thing back in 2015...

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Just looking at the Semi-final team against the All blacks...

FB 15 Willie le Roux
RW 14 JP Pietersen
OC 13 Jesse Kriel
IC 12 Damian de Allende
LW 11 Bryan Habana
FH 10 Handré Pollard
SH 9 Fourie du Preez (c)
N8 8 Duane Vermeulen
OF 7 Schalk Burger
BF 6 Francois Louw
RL 5 Lood de Jager
LL 4 Eben Etzebeth
TP 3 Frans Malherbe
HK 2 Bismarck du Plessis
LP 1 Tendai Mtawarira

HK 16 Adriaan Strauss
PR 17 Trevor Nyakane
PR 18 Jannie du Plessis
LK 19 Victor Matfield
FL 20 Willem Alberts
SH 21 Ruan Pienaar
FH 22 Pat Lambie
CE 23 Jan Serfontein

That is a bloody good side and some good talent on the bench too. Sure there might have been some quota picks in the squad but none of these players are passengers.
 
Cray said:
That is a bloody good side and some good talent on the bench too. Sure there might have been some quota picks in the squad but none of these players are passengers.
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Agreed, I threw the quota bit in as a bit of a disclaimer more than anything else. Rudy Paige was possibly the only player that could have considered himself selected more on policy than merit. Other than that, these were the best available players, despite what the "resident expert" believes...
 
sand_man said:
Agreed, I threw the quota bit in as a bit of a disclaimer more than anything else. Rudy Paige was possibly the only player that could have considered himself selected more on policy than merit. Other than that, these were the best available players, despite what the "resident expert" believes...
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Would be interested to know who the expert would have picked in the place of some of those "has beens"..
 
Cray said:
Would be interested to know who the expert would have picked in the place of some of those "has beens"..
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A good coach like Rassie would leave a Pollard at home if he is not 100%
An unstable emotional wreck will take a barely walking Jean de Villiers, and 38 year old over the hill Matfield. Not to mention Morne Steyn and Fourie du Preez that was way out of form
Looking back at names now does not paint the real picture.
I don't have to say anything. Looking at his career after he was let go, says it all.
 
Cray said:
Would be interested to know who the expert would have picked in the place of some of those "has beens"..
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Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
A good coach like Rassie would leave a Pollard at home if he is not 100%
An unstable emotional wreck will take a barely walking Jean de Villiers, and 38 year old over the hill Matfield. Not to mention Morne Steyn and Fourie du Preez that was way out of form
Looking back at names now does not paint the real picture.
I don't have to say anything. Looking at his career after he was let go, says it all.
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Well, there you have it. You would have left behind the 2nd most capped player in SA history (still earned another 4 caps post world cup), a Lions series winning flyhalf (twice by the end of his career), the greatest 9 the country has ever produced (sorry Joost). Agree, Jean was a walking ACL... calculated risk...

Director of rugby at the Saber Cats is a decent gig btw. They've had much success under his directorship.

38 isn't over the hill btw Just ask Deon Fourie, Schalk Brits and Duane Vermeulen.

PS no rugby player is ever 100% fit...
 
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Cray said:
That is a bloody good side and some good talent on the bench too. Sure there might have been some quota picks in the squad but none of these players are passengers.
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Actually looking at Wiki, Meyers inability to 'transform' the squad had much to do with his eventual departure. IE wasn't meeting quota targets. Cause, you know, the national team is the platform where you should be pushing an agenda.
 
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Well, there you have it. You would have left behind the 2nd most capped player in SA history (still earned another 4 caps post world cup), a Lions series winning flyhalf (twice by the end of his career), the greatest 9 the country has ever produced (sorry Joost). Agree, Jean was a walking ACL... calculated risk...

Director of rugby at the Saber Cats is a decent gig btw. They've had much success under his directorship.

38 isn't over the hill btw Just ask Deon Fourie, Schalk Brits and Duane Vermeulen.

PS no rugby player is ever 100% fit...
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Well there you have it. Blue Bulls supporter that see nothing wrong with anything blue.
 
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