The Rugby thread

[sand_man]

There was definitely 2 or 3 shots turned down, 1 easy one in the first half.

Yeah, my bad, a sitter at 20 minutes... went for touch and Dweba stuffed up an attacking lineout throw inside the NZ 22... skew... cause he's short....

We had an 11th minute penalty just inside our own half on the angle, probably just out of range. Kicking for touch was the right decision.

 

[OhYeah84]

That incident the ref clearly explained his incorrect reasoning. so not the same

 

[SAguy]

Many reasons. A short hooker has to throw to a tall lock which is harder if you are the shortest hooker in the history of international rugby playing the All Blacks.

Watch the try that we scored in the 14 minute but was disallowed. If you are the shortest prop in the history of international rugby you can easily get stripped of the ball by a tall player.

I can't recall any of our other props being stripped of the ball so easily.

Wrong call for sure, but to be fair I don't think it would have been a try had the ref not called advantage no NZ. Aaron Smith may not have gone for that long shot pass if he didn't have the advantage.

 

[sand_man]

but at the end of the day we actually had this game and lost it as opposed to the ABs beating us. despite all the helter skelter, we were in the lead with 12 mins to go. we should have closed it out tbh,

Nah, we were playing catch up from the 1st minute. Testimony to the side for hanging in and taking the lead but NZ's tries were all meticulously worked and executed. They forwards came to grind and they had a plan to neutralize the aerial threat. Their conditioning held and they ran us off our feet.

 

[sand_man]

Of course. Will Peter Dinklage be better at throwing lineouts to a 1 meter lock or 2 meter lock?

More importantly because he is so small Dwebe has to spend extra time in the gym to get massive arms to overcompensate for his small size. If you have that much muscle on your arms your throws will never be accurate.

Heck even look at a NFL quarterback. They have to throw the ball so much further. Often 50 meters. But because accuracy is so important they have slender arms and often look the least like an athlete. Same with baseball pitchers and cricket bowlers. Big muscles hinder throwing accuracy.

The height of hookers is dictated by the height of the props either side of them. Hooker is seldom taller than the props cause it makes it easier for them to hook the ball in the scrums.

Tom Youngs, Brian Moore, James Dalton, Harry Thacker, Akker van der Merwe, Sean Cronin, Camille Chat, Silatolu Latu, all hookers under 1.8m tall...

Your height argument is ridiculous. I honestly thought you were being funny...

 

[skimread]

The height of hookers is dictated by the height of the props either side of them. Hooker is seldom taller than the props cause it makes it easier for them to hook the ball in the scrums.

Tom Youngs, Brian Moore, James Dalton, Harry Thacker, Akker van der Merwe, Sean Cronin, Camille Chat, Silatolu Latu, all hookers under 1.8m tall...

Your height argument is ridiculous. I honestly thought you were being funny...

Yet he is shorter than all of them.
Time will tell by selecting the shortest hooker in international history of rugby will make a difference.
It just has never been done before so you can't say what the effect will be.

Which of those on your list had to overcompensate for their height with such huge biceps relative to their height.
There is a reason body builders don't make good rugby players. He has to throw the ball in the lineout from a height and arm disadvantage. This will be exposed on the international stage against teams like the All Black.
It was so badly exposed he was subbed early in first half not for an injury but for performance.
When LAST has that happened before? Be honest. Don't act like it is normal.
That should be humiliating to any player but SA fans have so little knowledge they think it is normal.

You think a few centimeters don't make a difference. Ask any female if she would date a 1.72 meter person like Dwebe vs a 1.78 meter person. 6 cm seems like nothing but makes a big difference. 90% of women would turn their noses up at a man as short as 1.72.
Yet we are talking about a rugby player playing for the world champions against the All Blacks.

 

[skimread]

Your height argument is ridiculous. I honestly thought you were being funny...

I am curious what is your height?

 

[sand_man]

I am curious what is your height?

1.74m, 1.8m if I take my pants off... you?

 

[skimread]

1.74m, 1.8m if I take my pants off... you?

Now it makes sense why you are so sensitive about height.

Did your height hold you back in your school rugby career? How about with the opposite sex.

But be happy you are much taller than Dwebe and Ox.

 

[sand_man]

Now it makes sense why you are so sensitive about height.

Did your height hold you back in your school rugby career? How about with the opposite sex.

But be happy you are much taller than Dwebe and Ox.

Nah dude, first rule of rugby: It's for all body types, shapes and sizes.

I played wing/fullback at school so height wasn't an issue.

As for the opposite sex, we all the same height in bed.

But we digress.

There's no doubt Dweba's lineout throwing isn't up to international standards. Because it's due to his height and size of his biceps is hilarious. Thanks for the laughs bro, needed it...

 

[cavedog]

He tends to blow hot and cold.

@cavedog from what I can gather, only recently started showing a greater interest in rugby. It can be a minefield to navigate with the convoluted laws and how they're interpreted by the match day referee. The laws are specific but their interpretation is ambiguous.

Right. Zero support for your fibre line going forward

 

[Agent_Smith]

Touring squad for Australia

Springbok touring squad:

Props
Steven Kitshoff (DHL Stormers)
Vincent Koch (Wasps)
Frans Malherbe (DHL Stormers)
Ox Nche (Cell C Sharks)
Trevor Nyakane (Racing 92)

Hookers

Joseph Dweba (DHL Stormers)
Malcolm Marx (Kubota Spears)

Locks

Eben Etzebeth (Cell C Sharks)
Lood de Jager (Wild Knights)
Salmaan Moerat (DHL Stormers)

Loose forwards

Pieter-Steph du Toit (Toyota Verblitz)
Siya Kolisi (Cell C Sharks)
Elrigh Louw (Vodacom Bulls)
Kwagga Smith (Shizuoka Blue Revs)
Jasper Wiese (Leicester Tigers)
Duane Vermeulen (Ulster)

Utility forwards

Deon Fourie (DHL Stormers)
Franco Mostert (Honda Heat)

Scrumhalves

Faf de Klerk (Canon Eagles)
Jaden Hendrikse (Cell C Sharks)
Herschel Jantjies (DHL Stormers)
Cobus Reinach (Montpellier)

Flyhalves

Elton Jantjies (NTT Docomo Red Hurricanes)
Handre Pollard (Leicester Tigers)

Midfielders

Lukhanyo Am (Cell C Sharks)
Damian de Allende (Wild Knights)
Andre Esterhuizen (Harlequins)

Outside backs

Makazole Mapimpi (Cell C Sharks)
Willie le Roux (Toyota Verblitz)
Canan Moodie (Vodacom Bulls)
Warrick Gelant (Racing 92)

Utility Backs

Damian Willemse (DHL Stormers)
Jesse Kriel (Canon Eagles)
Frans Steyn (Toyota Cheetahs)

 

[Heisenborg]

Touring squad for Australia

Springbok touring squad:

Props
Steven Kitshoff (DHL Stormers)
Vincent Koch (Wasps)
Frans Malherbe (DHL Stormers)
Ox Nche (Cell C Sharks)
Trevor Nyakane (Racing 92)

Hookers

Joseph Dweba (DHL Stormers)
Malcolm Marx (Kubota Spears)

Locks

Eben Etzebeth (Cell C Sharks)
Lood de Jager (Wild Knights)
Salmaan Moerat (DHL Stormers)

Loose forwards

Pieter-Steph du Toit (Toyota Verblitz)
Siya Kolisi (Cell C Sharks)
Elrigh Louw (Vodacom Bulls)
Kwagga Smith (Shizuoka Blue Revs)
Jasper Wiese (Leicester Tigers)
Duane Vermeulen (Ulster)

Utility forwards

Deon Fourie (DHL Stormers)
Franco Mostert (Honda Heat)

Scrumhalves

Faf de Klerk (Canon Eagles)
Jaden Hendrikse (Cell C Sharks)
Herschel Jantjies (DHL Stormers)
Cobus Reinach (Montpellier)

Flyhalves

Elton Jantjies (NTT Docomo Red Hurricanes)
Handre Pollard (Leicester Tigers)

Midfielders

Lukhanyo Am (Cell C Sharks)
Damian de Allende (Wild Knights)
Andre Esterhuizen (Harlequins)

Outside backs

Makazole Mapimpi (Cell C Sharks)
Willie le Roux (Toyota Verblitz)
Canan Moodie (Vodacom Bulls)
Warrick Gelant (Racing 92)

Utility Backs

Damian Willemse (DHL Stormers)
Jesse Kriel (Canon Eagles)
Frans Steyn (Toyota Cheetahs)

Jisis

Elton Jantjies (NTT Docomo Red Hurricanes)

 

[Drifter]

Hookers

Joseph Dweba (DHL Stormers)
Malcolm Marx (Kubota Spears)

Really? FML.

 

[Agent_Smith]

Hookers

Joseph Dweba (DHL Stormers)
Malcolm Marx (Kubota Spears)

Really? FML.

The problem is if not Dweba, then who else? Mbonambi has been ruled out for four weeks and to go over with just Marx and Deon Fourie is risking a lot. Dweba's performance on Saturday was well below par but to summarily dismiss him after one performance may be premature.

 

[Devo1]

The problem is if not Dweba, then who else? Mbonambi has been ruled out for four weeks and to go over with just Marx and Deon Fourie is risking a lot. Dweba's performance on Saturday was well below par but to summarily dismiss him after one performance may be premature.

Johan Grobbelaar

 

[Agent_Smith]

Johan Grobbelaar

That's an even bigger risk, IMO. A guy who hasn't been involved in the Bok setup and structure, with no experience suddenly thrust into the deep end. That can only end badly for him and not the people who selected him. He's a talented prospect no doubt, but selecting him is tantamount to throwing him to the wolves.

 

[Devo1]

That's an even bigger risk, IMO. A guy who hasn't been involved in the Bok setup and structure, with no experience suddenly thrust into the deep end. That can only end badly for him and not the people who selected him. He's a talented prospect no doubt, but selecting him is tantamount to throwing him to the wolves.

He toured with them last year for the Rugby Championship, but unfortunately did not get any game time. So I am sure he knows the setup and structure.

But I agree with you on the experience side. But with Dweba there, would it be so bad to give him a run?

But you are probably correct. But who else then?

 

[Agent_Smith]

He toured with them last year for the Rugby Championship, but unfortunately did not get any game time. So I am sure he knows the setup and structure.

But I agree with you on the experience side. But with Dweba there, would it be so bad to give him a run?

But you are probably correct. But who else then?

Well this is the $64,000 question. I'm not saying Dweba is the next big thing in SA Rugby, but many a player have had less than inauspicious starts to their careers; none more so than Malcolm Marx. He was a mess in his first few games. If you want to expand it to sports beyond rugby, people like Jacques Kallis and Hashim Amla were pulled through the metaphorical ringer after their first few performances (and we know how their careers turned out). All I'm saying is that if you had to kick a player in any sports to the curb based on one or two performances, we wouldn't have the likes of a Marx, Kallis or Amla.

So stick with Dweba. Give him EVERY opportunity to show why he was selected in the first place. It can't get much worse for him (or Bok rugby) than it is right now.

/my 2c

 

[Drifter]

The problem is if not Dweba, then who else? Mbonambi has been ruled out for four weeks and to go over with just Marx and Deon Fourie is risking a lot. Dweba's performance on Saturday was well below par but to summarily dismiss him after one performance may be premature.

Valid point, but I just dont know with him. He was totally out of his depth, and the AB's admitted they had a plan to target him. Guess what, it worked.